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cliftyhanger

posted on 25/3/19 at 11:40 AM Reply With Quote
How hot does gearbox oil get??

A question that seems hard to find an answer....
Type 9 box, bolted to an ST170 engine (in my spitfire)

I ask as I managed to smash the magnet in the bottom of the b=gearbox when I drilled for a drain plug (oops, I forget to check inside the case once the box was stripped) and so want to get a new magnet, but needs to be different size/shape. And magnets have different temp ratings.... (the really high temp ones are mega money)

Ta

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watsonpj

posted on 25/3/19 at 12:21 PM Reply With Quote
Magnets

Hi
we use neodymium and samarium cobalts both good for 150C+ and we have some development ones in different sizes,orientations what are you looking for and I'll see what we have.

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watsonpj

posted on 25/3/19 at 12:24 PM Reply With Quote
should have said i recommend the Neodymium as the SmCo are quite brittle and fire shrapnel everywhere if you let them lose and they hit something.
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Mr Whippy

posted on 25/3/19 at 12:35 PM Reply With Quote
I've never been burnt touching a gearbox casing, it gets hot but not that hot...
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joneh

posted on 25/3/19 at 12:46 PM Reply With Quote
Are you smashing it around the track or pootling to the shops?

I also imagine it depends on the viscous rating of the oil, thicker stuff will get hotter. But as an educated guess 30-50 degrees in normal shopping mode. Around 60 degrees on metal is very hot on the bare hand, never been burnt by my gearboxes.

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cliftyhanger

posted on 25/3/19 at 01:15 PM Reply With Quote
Yes, it does trackdays, autosolos plus long fast autobahn stuff (it absolutely drinks fuel over 100mph) and alpine passes. So not for tootling about

Watsonpj, thanks for the info. I have some smallish magnets here (had them for donkeys years) and they seem strong enough, and are about 8mm diameter and 5mm thick. I left one in boiling water for several hours, no change to magnetic strength, but didn't like being held just over a gas ring, fell off in a few seconds but that is probably 200 degrees or so. I will try one in teh oven this evening when we cook dinner!

I think most boxes have a magnet to catch the general swarf that is generated in a gearbox. Handy on a drain plug as you can see if there are any big bits (like circlips or teeth, one reason I gave up on Triumph mechanicals)

[Edited on 25/3/19 by cliftyhanger]

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coyoteboy

posted on 25/3/19 at 02:35 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I've never been burnt touching a gearbox casing, it gets hot but not that hot...

Even on your GT4? I have! That's why they had the gearbox cooling duct in from the front of the bumper cover.





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FatChapChipChop

posted on 25/3/19 at 02:41 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
A question that seems hard to find an answer....
Type 9 box, bolted to an ST170 engine (in my spitfire)

I ask as I managed to smash the magnet in the bottom of the b=gearbox when I drilled for a drain plug (oops, I forget to check inside the case once the box was stripped) and so want to get a new magnet, but needs to be different size/shape. And magnets have different temp ratings.... (the really high temp ones are mega money)

Ta


Bit late now, I know .. But, why drill the casing when a tapping into the sandwich plate will do it (with a BSP tap) as per BGH ?

Cheers !!





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AdamR20

posted on 25/3/19 at 04:25 PM Reply With Quote
You will likely see 140degC ish gearbox oil temp at somewhere like Snetterton, not far off that on autobahn!

[Edited on 25/3/19 by AdamR20]

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cliftyhanger

posted on 25/3/19 at 04:52 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FatChapChipChop


Bit late now, I know .. But, why drill the casing when a tapping into the sandwich plate will do it (with a BSP tap) as per BGH ?

Cheers !!


I hadn't seen the BGH advice. It was a nice flat bit at the lowest part of the case, so that@s where I drilled. And now I know why it is flat.


On the other note, the magnet has been in the oven at 180 for a couple of hours as the lady of the house has been out. All good so I am happy to use the magnet I have.

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steve m

posted on 25/3/19 at 07:15 PM Reply With Quote
When ever I have the sump off anything, I chuck /place a couple off these in the sump from ebay,

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Angel Acevedo

posted on 26/3/19 at 12:37 PM Reply With Quote
Maybe too late, but on a 2011 Dodge Journey I never saw more than 75° C even on twisty uphill driving with a LOT of Up-down-up... gearchanges...
That is on the Transmission Oil Temperature indicator.

ETA: And that wit 4 Adults and full summer vacation gear on board.

[Edited on 3/26/2019 by Angel Acevedo]





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Dingz

posted on 27/3/19 at 09:50 PM Reply With Quote
I think the mineral oil will be breaking down at 140 c





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snapper

posted on 28/3/19 at 11:04 PM Reply With Quote
I’ll cut through this a bit.
Engines have magnetic sump plugs, simple magnets nothing exotic, unlikely the gearbox will get hotter than engine oil





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AdamR20

posted on 29/3/19 at 10:33 AM Reply With Quote
Engine oil has a cooling system to help it though (and a filter, and a pump to keep it moving round!).
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