Printable Version | Subscribe | Add to Favourites
New Topic New Poll New Reply
Author: Subject: Sylva or STM Phoenix?
sdenne

posted on 15/7/20 at 04:55 PM Reply With Quote
Sylva or STM Phoenix?

Hello,
I am from Germany and I recently bought a Phoenix 2001 - I will get the car at the end of July so I only have these pictures.
I would like to know if it is a Sylva or STM car. The VIN starts with BFC...

Description
Description


Description
Description


Description
Description


Description
Description

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
SPYDER

posted on 15/7/20 at 07:42 PM Reply With Quote
The badge would suggest that it is a Sylva.
View User's Profile Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
sdenne

posted on 15/7/20 at 07:45 PM Reply With Quote
Hello Spyder,
thank you for the answer but the picture is not good enough that you can see that it is a Lotus badge.
Stefan

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
sdenne

posted on 15/7/20 at 07:50 PM Reply With Quote
Hello Spyder again,
your chassis is made of round tubes, mine is made of square tubes - could this be a hint that it is a Sylva?

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
SPYDER

posted on 15/7/20 at 08:22 PM Reply With Quote
My car is a 2005 round tube chassis designed by STM. I don't know exactly when STM bought the Phoenix from Sylva but i think it was 2001. That likely means that your car could be from either manufacturer. It should tell you on the paperwork when you get it.
View User's Profile Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
Norfolkluegojnr

posted on 15/7/20 at 10:03 PM Reply With Quote
my sylva fury is square tube if that helps at all - looks identical under the bonnet to yours.
View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
skippad

posted on 17/7/20 at 08:32 AM Reply With Quote
I was building an STM Phoenix in 2007/8
The only difference i can see on photos are the rocker arms ...STM has strengthener bar across top of rocker arms

View User's Profile E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
adithorp

posted on 17/7/20 at 12:19 PM Reply With Quote
I thought STM made square tube chassis before introducing the round tube version but I could be wrong.

Norfolkluegojnr, though the JP chassis are simlar in many ways the Fury and Phoenix/Striker vary in the front suspension. Fury rocker is above the chassis and under on Phoenix/Strikers. The Phoenix/Striker are also narrower in the cockpit.





"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire

http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/

View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
jeffw

posted on 19/7/20 at 07:56 AM Reply With Quote
Highly unlikely to be a Sylva with round tube chassis. Does the chassis plate not give you a clue ?
View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
adithorp

posted on 19/7/20 at 05:11 PM Reply With Quote
Jeff, the OP's car is square tube chassis. Question is did STM make a square tube. My recollection is they did both but if not that'd seal it as a Sylva.

quote:
Originally posted by sdenne
Hello Spyder again,
your chassis is made of round tubes, mine is made of square tubes - could this be a hint that it is a Sylva?






"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire

http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/

View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
jeffw

posted on 19/7/20 at 09:10 PM Reply With Quote
Sorry, wrong end of the stick. I think they did but the hint will be the chassis plate
View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
MikeR
Contributor






Posts 8600
Registered 25/5/02
Location Hinckley
Member Is Offline

Photo Archive Go!
Building: Slowcost since 2000, speeduino since 2020, Caterha

posted on 19/7/20 at 11:27 PM Reply With Quote
I thought the big thing with the STM chassis was it entirely laser cut round tube.
View User's Profile View All Posts By User U2U Member
yogibear1969

posted on 26/7/20 at 08:40 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
[The VIN starts with BFC...


Hi,
VIN starting BFC is very strange, I'd like to see what the Chassis plate says. What is it registered as?
Edd

View User's Profile Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
sdenne

posted on 26/7/20 at 09:01 PM Reply With Quote
Hello,
I will let you know - I will get the car on tuesday.
In Germany some of these cars are registered as Lotuses, Westfields, etc. with older first registration due to the emissions regulations.
sdenne

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
sdenne

posted on 7/8/20 at 06:43 PM Reply With Quote
Hello,
the Phoenix has arrived - but no clues about Sylva or Stuart Taylor.
The registration is for a Bond Equipe, no problem for me because I want to use it on track.
That was a common method back in the 2000s to get such a beautiful car on german roads but it’s not 100% legal.

Description
Description


sdenne

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
procomp

posted on 7/8/20 at 10:04 PM Reply With Quote
Hi. That is a Sylva chassis. The STM chassis where a little more developed in a few areas, only a few stm square tube chassis where made before switch to round tube as mentioned.
Ill forward pictures to Ian for conformation.

View User's Profile E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
procomp

posted on 8/8/20 at 07:59 AM Reply With Quote
Conformation from Ian and the biggest give away is, all STM chassis had floor mounted pedals. So definitely a Sylva.
View User's Profile E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member
sdenne

posted on 8/8/20 at 02:29 PM Reply With Quote
Hello Procomp,
thank you very much for the information!
sdenne

View User's Profile E-Mail User View All Posts By User U2U Member
procomp

posted on 9/8/20 at 10:04 PM Reply With Quote
Hi. Glad to help. 👍
View User's Profile E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage View All Posts By User U2U Member

New Topic New Poll New Reply


go to top






Website design and SEO by Studio Montage

All content © 2001-16 LocostBuilders. Reproduction prohibited
Opinions expressed in public posts are those of the author and do not necessarily represent
the views of other users or any member of the LocostBuilders team.
Running XMB 1.8 Partagium [© 2002 XMB Group] on Apache under CentOS Linux
Founded, built and operated by ChrisW.