sgraber
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Wow what a cool car!
Ok, maybe it's because I live in the US, but this particular car design really struck a chord with me. At initial glance it seems extremely well
thought out. My personal preference would be to place a high revving bike engine in the back, but I can really sense that this would be an enjoyable
car to drive.
Opinions?
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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skint scotsman
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 05:02 PM |
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looks very interesting
gotta linky to any more info??
kinda like an atom with a grammal (?spelling?) scorpion
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Dale
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 05:16 PM |
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That chassis could lead to a beautifull boat tailed roadster.
Dale
Thanks
Dale
my 14 and11 year old boys 22
and 19 now want to drive but have to be 25 before insurance will allow. Finally on the road
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sgraber
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 05:18 PM |
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This is all I've got. http://www.twintechcars.com/
The creator is Dave Piontek of www.Funcar.com. He emailed me a few days ago after he found my website. Seems like a decent guy.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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907
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 05:53 PM |
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Very nice...... apart from that fuel tank.
Looks like something off a lawnmower. 
Paul G
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kb58
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 06:00 PM |
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Dave Piontek's the same engineer that designed the "Sportech", a mid-mounted bike-powered two seater. As a product the Sportech
seems to have faded away. Back when I was interested in it, the only sales guy was in Hawaii, and that he/they ended up only making it available to
educational institutions(?)
I even have a promo tape around here... I think it was around $30K, another kitcar few (6?) could afford. There's a lesson here in all the
out-of-business car companies...
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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sgraber
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 06:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Ashurst
Have you seen these, Steve? Ariel Atom
Rear engine/high power to your taste?
Oh yes, And it's very nice. But you know, the Atoms frame shape doesn't really 'do' it for me. I think I actually like the
twintech frame design better. I'm more traditional maybe?
And I do see some boat-tail influence there. In fact, the whole design is working off the retro-rod theme. The flat black finishes, the street-rod
inspired fuel tank, the small lights, the windshield-lets (what do you call those?) It's really well thought out IMHO.
Not so sure about the bracing for the roll hoops tho... won't those fold over pretty easily?
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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sgraber
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 06:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kb58
Dave Piontek's the same engineer that designed the "Sportech", a mid-mounted bike-powered two seater. As a product the Sportech
seems to have faded away. Back when I was interested in it, the only sales guy was in Hawaii, and that he/they ended up only making it available to
educational institutions(?)
I even have a promo tape around here... I think it was around $30K, another kitcar few (6?) could afford. There's a lesson here in all the
out-of-business car companies...
The SporTech was designed in 1992. A bit ahead of it's time. There is a website http://www.funcar.com . I understand that 6 were sold and the
asking price was around $50K (just googled it so that could be wrong). The body was also then used for the T-Zero all electric car.
http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_home.htm
[Edited on 11/6/05 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Peteff
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 06:38 PM |
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kinda like an atom with a grammal (?spelling?) scorpion
Grinnal Scorpion. More like a Morgan with the exposed engine.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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G.Man
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 07:03 PM |
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Grinnal scorpion has single rear wheel drive from a rear mounted BMW motor doesnt it?
Like the overall look but would prefer the rear/mid mounted bike engine version without the body...
With the body it just looks like another budget sportscar... without it looks like something far cooler...
I am very surprised none of the kit car manufacturers in the UK have done something ariel atomesqe with a rear mounted motorcycle engine... perhaps we
will see one soon...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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mad4x4
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 07:13 PM |
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Would that car at the top Pass the SVA with all those sticky out bits?
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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CD-5
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 07:18 PM |
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I think it is a good compromise betwen a Atom and a Locost ...mid engin it should be like g.man said
Like the retro look cues from morgan trikes,hotrod, etc...
anyone tried to skin a locost from the inside ?
i like the look of exposed tubes and minimal bodywork..a revamped locost maybe. it needs something done at the front the V bar /bumper don't do
it for me... we have to see what is going to happen with it pricewise... it can be a hit...
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ASH3
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 07:28 PM |
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I like that but just feel its missin somethin..
lights... sva.. someone too purchase it! Its
one of those too just look at i feel..
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 07:45 PM |
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Quite like it. I think it looks more of a proper car than the Atom and I prefer the aesthetics of the chassis design. I agree with G-man though, it
deserves a rear/mid engine. This would also allow a better looking front end to be designed.
Yep, I definitely like it.
Phil
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CD-5
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:05 PM |
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After careful examination It seems to use alot of bike parts (brakes) and some custom parts which are not very locost. As for performance it Needs a
proper bike engine...Harley's dont'make much power in standard form.
Anyone has an idea of the gearbox used ?
By the look of it what weight do you guess?
[Edited on 6/11/05 by CD-5]
If someone think SVA is tough you've got to see what the SAAQ require here...Still searching a way to get a project on the road.....
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dl_peabody
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:43 PM |
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Harley powered cars...
Three-wheeled Merlin Roadster, $29,995
link http://merlinmotorsusa.com/
http://www.jaxports.com/streester.html
http://www.jaxports.com/harleyengine.htm
The Streetster combines a 3/4 scale '32 Ford Roadster with power from HARLEY-DAVIDSON!
Rodster or roadster, looking for a link...
Found it...
Price is a mistery...
http://www.hotrodhawg.com/
I quess the problem is with Niche marketing and the cost of produceing a few models...I like the twintech car nice.....but is it worth 30k? Well
designed and looks well thought out...SIGH.
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Harry B
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:46 PM |
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It's looks like an Ariel Atom had a fight with a Morgan F Trike.Wonder who won.....[pg=]
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dl_peabody
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:47 PM |
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I am not sure how they pull off the rear in the TWINTECH.....
....Here is how Jax pulls it off.
Interesting and NOT locost.
http://www.jaxports.com/trike.htm
HARLEY-DAVIDSON BIG TWIN
Belt or chain drive to 90° case.
See the link for other engines and prices.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dl_peabody
Harley powered cars...
Shouldn't that read Hardley powered cars?........................
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dl_peabody
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 08:53 PM |
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Same performance more locost...
Sorry it as funny I had to share
bottom of the page
http://www.ikonsuspension.com/content/customer-projects.html
Disc brakes too
[Edited on 7/11/05 by dl_peabody]
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Peteff
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 09:01 PM |
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Nice.
Schnauzer power . Optional pgrade to a husky for some real pull?
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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sgraber
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 09:09 PM |
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I just got a bunch more photos from Dave Piontek and a LOT more information about the car. I am asking for his permission to post them here. Believe
me on closeup inspection the car is a jewel. Aparently it will be sold at Harley dealerships in a custom chopper (think whatever the client wants)
format. Almost all the bits are bespoke and out of the highest quality materials. The engine is a highly modified 125 cubic inch (big dollar) unit
that puts out over 125Lb/ft torque. Car weighs under 1,100Lbs. he says it's a big problem to keep from smoking the tires.
I can say from the photos I have that the transmission is integral to the rear diff in a manner similar to a Corvette (or Alfa Romeo?). Diff looks
like a quick change unit as well, with a seperate oil cooler. I assume that there is a driveshaft directly off the crank back to the transaxle.
USA has no SVA issues, life is much easier for us in that way.
The interior photos show a great amount of restraint on the designers behalf with a simple curved carbon fiber dash, some useful instrumentation and a
very simple t-bar shifter on the center console. Maybe it is an automatic? Don't know. I can't imagine that it is sequential.
What's very unusual is that I can't see how the cycle wings are attached. If I can post his photos you will see what I mean. There are no
front or vertical stays...
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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dl_peabody
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 09:14 PM |
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For those that want more power and Ugly looks...
http://www.jaxports.com/stinger.html
Complete Rolling Chassis Kit $9,995.00
Set up for H-D Sportster, Polaris Victory,
or H-D big twin w/Baker transmission, includes drive belt and 90° transfer case add $1,400 (otherwise set up for as 4 Cylinder Bike engine)
Street package: includes head/tail lights, turn signals, glass, switches, wiring, brake lights, license light, manual wiper, mirror, horn. $650
Different body types
Streetster, all fiberglass ’32 Ford, ¾ scale
$6,495
Stinger roadster, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,400
Stinger coupe, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,500
Stinger sedan, sheet aluminum body & interior $1,700
Stinger pickup, sheet aluminum body & interior, steel bed $1,900
SGRABER Did he happen to mention price?
[Edited on 6/11/05 by dl_peabody]
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sgraber
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| posted on 6/11/05 at 11:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dl_peabody
SGRABER Did he happen to mention price?
Um, I think if one has to ask....
My guess is big BIG $$$
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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kb58
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| posted on 7/11/05 at 04:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
USA has no SVA issues, life is much easier for us in that way.
There are no front or vertical stays...
Not literally, but there's the Highway Patrol Safety inspection which I think is similar but not as strict.
About the stays, if there are no supports, then it's just promo pictures where they're set in place... loose.
I like the car, but like eveyone else says, the wrong engine's at the wrong end. But, if people buy it, it doesn't matter... though at
I'm guessing, $50K again, it's not going to go far. If people want a Harley, I really think they want a motorcycle.
Mid-engine Locost - http://www.midlana.com
And the book - http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/midlana/paperback/product-21330662.html
Kimini - a tube-frame, carbon shell, Honda Prelude VTEC mid-engine Mini: http://www.kimini.com
And its book -
http://www.lulu.com/shop/kurt-bilinski/kimini-how-to-design-and-build-a-mid-engine-sports-car-from-scratch/paperback/product-4858803.html
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