iank
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 09:57 AM |
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Engine/tranmission choice for a transverse middy
I'm thinking about CEC engine choices for a middy (UK based).
Would like (wouldn't we all):
- Cheap
- Reasonable power as standard
- Good torque (though nothing mad required as car will be ~500kg)
- Lightweight
- Cheap
- Reliable/tough
- Fuel efficient
- Physically compact (though height isn't such an issue as with front engined inline)
- Did I mention cheap
So a similar thread as:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=40805
except for middys.
It would be more convenient if the exhaust exited the same side as a mini A series, but it's not a showstopper. Gearchange via cables might
make life a tad easier as well.
Obviously this it's easier since there are millions of FWD donors ready attached to gearboxes, but that just makes the decision harder in some
ways.
Suggestions?
Thinking:
Ecotec 16v 1600
Peugeout 16v
K-series
Zetec-SE
Which donors would be favorite? Any others I should consider?
[Edited on 3/5/06 by iank]
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andylancaster3000
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 10:12 AM |
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Mk1 or Mk2 Mr2?
There are lots of mk1's about with shells turning to dust. Setup in a rear wheel drive form already with cable type gear linkage. Exhaust
manifold is very good and obviously already a rwd setup system. They also use the great little 4age engine, however if you are after a bit more torque
i'd go for the 3sge engine from the MK2.
A friend of mine has just been offered two Mk1's for free as the shells are a little....'dead!'
HTH,
Andy.
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RazMan
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 11:19 AM |
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Duratec V6 - light for a V6 and over 200bhp as standard. 
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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MikeR
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 11:56 AM |
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errm, i thought the duratec v6 was around 170ish as standard and could be chipped to over 200. with a decent exhaust / inlet it should see a few more
(guess)
i'd be tempted with a k series, light, powerfulish, cheap and in rwd form in the MGF / elise / exige so all the hassle has been taken car of.
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Ketchup
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:04 PM |
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got to be a suzuki swift gti lump.. nice and cheap to find a rusty one, from personal experience they are a mad little engine, and very light and
compact as they are only a 1.3 twin cam, 100bhp out of the box and revs freely upto 7500rpm  i used to have such fun 
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ned
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:07 PM |
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an older honda vtec - they still make good power and spinning the wrong way won't matter if you're retaining the transverse drivetrain.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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3GEComponents
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:16 PM |
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Audi/VW 20v Turbo, stonking engine, had one in my A4 Quattro, pulls like no 1800 deserves to and that was in a heavy car!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:19 PM |
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Rover K16 1.6 or 1.8 from an MGTF all the right bits and a Torsen diff is avaialble from the Rover 820 Vitesse or 620Ti
And if you don't fancy that I have a nice Honda Twincam 2.3 alloy block engine and box sitting.
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liftarn
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:26 PM |
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Suzuki Swift GTI have been mentioned. Low weight of the engine makes it very interesting.
I'm planning on using a turbo engine from the classic SAAB 900. Mainly because I have one, but it's a nice engine. Equal lenght
driveshafts is a plus. The 16 valve engines have been tuned to over 700 hp, but that's a bit much for the gearbox even with race parts.
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 12:29 PM |
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Toyota 4AGE (16V or 20V) either from an MR2 or Corolla. The linkage on the GBX can be moved through 180 deg to suit the orientation. There was a G6R
Corolla with a 6 speed box which went nicely on my custom 1800cc supercharged 4AGE
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RazMan
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| posted on 3/5/06 at 05:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
errm, i thought the duratec v6 was around 170ish as standard and could be chipped to over 200. with a decent exhaust / inlet it should see a few more
(guess)
Once you have ripped it out of the donor, junked the THREE CATS  , added a decent induction system and a decent ECU you should easily see 200bhp.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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JC
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| posted on 4/5/06 at 09:27 AM |
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I went for Zetec SE. It's very light (80kg), compact and there's tons around. I got a 1.25 from a crashed Fiesta with everything for
£100. Yes I know it's only 75ish bhp but I can always bolt in a Puma engine when finances permit. The inlet is all on the front and the
exhaust, with Cat built into the downpipe comes neatly out of the back. As for gearchange, I have a rod under the engine. I looked at the much
vaunted Riot at Stoneleigh and was pleased to see that it used a virtually identical system!
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russbost
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| posted on 5/5/06 at 07:00 PM |
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I'm currently building a new chassis using the MR2 Mk1 for all the bits - it's all top quality stuff & as it comes from a mid engine
car in the first place all the bits are in the right place. Donors are dirt cheap & bomb proof!
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