albertz
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| posted on 5/5/06 at 10:30 PM |
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Lexus IS200 gearbox
I am currently looking into the possibility of using the Lexus 6 speed IS200 gearbox on my Toyota 3S-GE engine. I have sourced one, but before i
commit to buying i need to know if it will fit within my standard 'book' tunnel.
So does anyone know the dimensions, or point me towards a decent site for the information?
What other gearbox options are available to me. I already have a home made bellhousing to go between the Ford T9 and the Toyota 4A-GE engine, would
that work?? same bolt holes spacing?
Any other suggestions appreciated.
Are there any other obvious problems with this engine/gearbox combo that i have overlooked?
Thanks.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:31 AM |
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Hi Andrew,
Does the LS200 gearbox bolt straight on?
Regards, Ian.
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albertz
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 01:51 PM |
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I am not that sure, i think i read somewhere that is does, but i cant find where i read it now!!
Until i haul the engine out of the MR2 i wont know about the type 9/4AGE bellhousing fitting.
Got the car into the garage last night, so with a bit of luck i should find out soon, fingers crossed.
I was really wanting the IS200 gearbox dimensions so that i could quickly determine whether it is worth pursuing or not. I like the idea of a modern 6
speed gearbox, but if its too much hassle then maybe not. I am not that keen on rehashing the tunnel and associated parts.
Thanks
Andrew
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procomp
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 02:01 PM |
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Hi i dont know the exact dims for the box but it's big . Also it's not a six speed as most people only use 2 4 6 gears in the road car
they are far to close together and in a car weighing less than halve the weight of the IS the ratios will be of no use. Plus they are not the most
reliable box with syncroes going wrong quite often.
Much better to spend the £ and get a bellhousing from raw or elsewhere and use the type 9 box as it will fit book chassis and ratios are available
new or seconhand box with ratios to suit your application are around at the right price.
cheers matt
ps IS 200 150 bhp 3.9 diff 17 or 18 rims = acceleration is quick but no top end as spedo reads 10% high as the japs and yanks run a 3.54 as standard
but we get a 3.9.
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 03:01 PM |
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hey andrew i gree with procomp, i work on these is200 and its a very big box compared to t50 or the t9, stick with the 3sge as its a very robust
engine also been tweeked by yamaha.
best of luck andrew,
rob
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albertz
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:43 PM |
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Thats exactly the sort of advice i was looking for, i'll forget about the Lexus box then and concentrate on getting the T9 to work. I am now
hoping that the 3S-GE has the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 4A-GE, as i already have a bellhousing made to suit the 4A-GE. Sods law tells me
that this is unlikely, buty i live in hope and will find out soon enough when i rip the 3S-GE from the donor MR2.
Thanks for the advice and if anyone knows about the 3S-GE/4A-GE bolt patterns then shout!
Cheers
Andrew
EDIT - The other option require investigation is the Supra box (W55?). I may know where there is one available, but again i am concerned that it may
be too big for the tunnel.
[Edited on 6/5/06 by albertz]
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zak
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 11:24 PM |
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the 4age and 3sge do not have the same bellhousing bolt patern. and the w55 is quite alot bigger then the type 9 and toyota t50 gearbox. even if you
did get the w55 it may not bolt up to the 3sge because toyota used them on quite a few different engines.
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 05:45 AM |
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I was fairly sure as well that the bolt patterns are different.
Useful guy to ask is Paul at BPJ Services as he specialises in 4AGE, 3SGE and Duratec engines and conversions.
www.bpjservices.co.uk
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albertz
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 05:59 AM |
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Thanks again for the information, looks like it may be a pain to fit a gearbox to the 3S-GE whichever way i choose to go. Will investigate the W55
dimensions and see what would be involved in sqeezing that into the tunnel, will also see how far away the 4A-GE bellhousing is from matching the
3S-GE engine, then make a choice.
Thanks for your help.
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zak
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 08:30 PM |
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afaik the 3sge itself was never used in rwd format by toyota. but some old petrol hiluxs' and corona's were powered by the 1sfe and 2sfe
motors with a w55/7/8 box and those all use the same engine block as the 3sge, so bellhousings from those can be used to fit a w55 to a 3sge. or you
can just use a custom bellhousing.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 09:14 PM |
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Spoke to Paul at BPJ Services a couple of years ago, as he said he could get hold of a Bell housing to mate the 3SGE to a type 9. He said it came from
Jo'burg. In the end, he couldn't find the contact details, and I phoned around several firms in Jo'burg and had no luck.
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 04:04 AM |
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afaik the Altezza/IS200 has the 3SGE and 6-speed as standard
Here's one in a Fraser clubman :-http://www.billzilla.org/fraser.htm
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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albertz
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| posted on 10/5/06 at 07:49 PM |
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Thanks for the ideas.
I have spoken to Paul as well and am going to try and get proper prices etc from him.
With regards to the Lexus box, i am worried that it may be too big for the tunnel, also someone above has commented that it may not be that suitable
for a Locost
Thanks
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/5/06 at 10:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locost_bryan
afaik the Altezza/IS200 has the 3SGE and 6-speed as standard
I thought it used the rather underpowered 1G-FE straight six?
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zak
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| posted on 11/5/06 at 01:07 AM |
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toyota altezza rs200 = 3sge + 6sp
toyota altezza as200 = 1gfe + 5sp
lexus is200 = 1gfe + 6sp
lexus is300 = 1jzge + 5sp auto only
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SPYDER
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 05:04 PM |
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Toyota did produce the 3SGE engine in RWD format in the Japanese market IS200. It has variable valve timing and is coloquially known as the BEAMS
engine. It has a six speed gearbox. It will match up to any S series engine but the chances of finding one in the UK is about nil. Some early Coronas
and Hiluxes come with W series boxes and some had T50's. You try and find one though. Supra gearboxes have different bolt pattern.
I have been through all this when fitting a 3SGE engine in my SPYDER SILVERSTONE to replace the 2TG 1600. I was in the process of importing a
suitable bellhousing from Australia but it fell through. I ended up modifying the existing T series bellhousing.
A lot of machining is involved in repositioning the bolt holes, opening up the inside to accept the 3SGE flwheel, re-chamfering the ring gear,
repositioning the starter, then sourcing a suitable clutch plate,etc.
It was worth it though, the T50 gearbox is a peach!
It would be easier I think to use a W series box but they are physically bigger.
If you can fit the type 9 then that might be easier still. Your A series bellhousing won't mate up to a 3SGE without modding.
Stick with the 3SGE though. I used a 3rd Generation 173 hp unit from a late Celica GT.
I have an unused bike carb conversion to suit if your interested. See these pics...
http://ntlworld.photobox.co.uk/album/1460235
I will be at Newark if you want to have a look. This is a rare conversion in the UK. I will gladly help in any way I can.
Geoff
[Edited on 13/5/06 by SPYDER]
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albertz
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 06:37 PM |
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Geoff,
Thanks for the information, much appreciated. I will keep going with this engine until i hit a real problem, i am not going to let a bellhousing stop
me (famous last words!).
I fabricated a bellhousing to mate the 4A-GE to the type 9 box, so should be capable of doing the same with the 3S-GE. My engine is Jap imported with
a reputed 170 BHP, so i am looking forward to get it going.
I may be interested in the bike carb conversion stuff you have. U2U me your phone number and i'll give you a shout to discuss.
Thanks again to all that have replied, all good stuff and much appreciated.
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SPYDER
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| posted on 13/5/06 at 07:58 PM |
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Take look at this.......
http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&th=58032&start=0&rid=&S=97d1fb7dea1454ad7c07fbfd3f3fa81c
U2U sent albertz
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Jackaroo
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| posted on 26/7/06 at 02:35 PM |
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Hi all, I live in South Africa and there is indeed a place in Johannesburg which manufacturers bellhousings for a lot of different conversions. I got
mine from them, a Rover V8/Toyota W55 bellhousing. Casting quality is exellent.
Gerrie
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