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JoelP

posted on 27/5/06 at 03:53 PM Reply With Quote
Freelander diff

I bought one the other day, seeing as theres so little information about them on this forum i thought id just post picture. Sierra open push fit diff is beside it for comparison, which weighs 45lbs (circa 20.5kgs), the freelander diff weighs about 32lbs, or 14.5 kgs. Ratio is the same as all of them, 3.21. This diff appears to be absolutely ideal for a BEC, its 6kgs lighter, the ratio isnt far off the 3.14 sierra diff, and it only cost me £150. Im sure you could get one cheaper from a breakers anyway.

The only drawback i can see so far is that the mounts are behind the driveshafts, making it quite different to the sierra ones. Worse for me as i wasnt planning on having a full 'diff box' so to speak, in fact the car would've almost ended at the bulkhead. However, its not the end of the world as i havent started on the backend yet, so i can modify my plans. Heres the pic: Rescued attachment diffs.JPG
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coozer

posted on 27/5/06 at 04:06 PM Reply With Quote
Nice and cheap! I was told a second hand one from the breakers was £450, with £1500 for a new one!
I know Ford pay £50~£60 for them in the plant!





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JoelP

posted on 27/5/06 at 04:15 PM Reply With Quote
i managed to persuade a chap on ebay to end it early!

if anyone has a picture of one fitted, id be very grateful!

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MikeRJ

posted on 27/5/06 at 05:26 PM Reply With Quote
What are you doing about driveshafts? If you want to use the Sierra hubs/brakes etc. I guess you will need to include the price of custom driveshafts into the budget.
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JoelP

posted on 27/5/06 at 05:41 PM Reply With Quote
not too sure just yet, when i was planning on using a sierra diff i was hoping for inboard brakes, not sure how that could work with push in driveshafts. Time will tell
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posted on 27/5/06 at 07:20 PM Reply With Quote
on my fury im using a frelander diff with sierra shafts that have had the internal cvs changed to the landrover ones.

this hows how kcw do it, it might be worth checking out some of the st cars too as they use it as well.


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MikeRJ

posted on 27/5/06 at 08:19 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by cossey




Those top diff mounts don't look overly confidence inspiring, considering the large torque reaction that they have to withstand, is that a factory design?

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Bob C

posted on 27/5/06 at 09:06 PM Reply With Quote
"Those top diff mounts don't look overly confidence inspiring"
My thoughts too - I reckon on 1000Nm on the diff which would translate to (say) 700Nm on that bit of square tube the top mounts are welded to.
hmmmmmmmmm......
round tube would make it a bit better
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posted on 28/5/06 at 08:20 AM Reply With Quote
factory design and there have been no reported failures. that pic id from Tim Hoverd's racing fury and it has been treated fairly harshly with no problems. a short 25mm tube in a strong structure csn probably take several times that load. a round tube would be much worse as there would be less material and a lower moment of area.

also how do you get to 1000nm an r1 car puts more like 400nm in first gear so a busa wont be more than 500nm.

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MikeRJ

posted on 28/5/06 at 10:55 AM Reply With Quote
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also how do you get to 1000nm an r1 car puts more like 400nm in first gear so a busa wont be more than 500nm.



Now multiply by the diff ratio...

The inconsistency between the strong, well engineered bottom brackets and the flimsy looking top ones is really what prompted my comment.

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JoelP

posted on 28/5/06 at 11:00 AM Reply With Quote
cheers for the pics coozey, much appreciated. I have a plan forming about how i will mount it and the bones, means i can get on with the tunnel now.

As for the upper mount, it does look puny compared to the bottom one, but the proof is in the pudding.

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MikeRJ

posted on 28/5/06 at 11:27 AM Reply With Quote
Joel, any idea what sort of power these diffs can cope with reliably?
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Bob C

posted on 28/5/06 at 11:36 AM Reply With Quote
Fair enough if none have broke (yet). as above, just a 1st impression looking at the pic - it looked like 3/4 square holding the top bracket on the foto. In fact there could be all sorts of strengthening not visible on the fotos.....
To accelerate a 1000lb car at 1G using a wheel with a radius of 1 foot - that's 1000 ftlbs of torque (sorry - not Nm). A racing car will do that "steady state", never mind transient effects!
That top tube is subject to a bending force and a twisting force - my feeling was that the twisting force was more severe which was why I suggested round; without proper analysis it's all just hot air!!!!
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JoelP

posted on 28/5/06 at 11:45 AM Reply With Quote
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Joel, any idea what sort of power these diffs can cope with reliably?


I wouldnt even worry about breaking it, unless it was a problem in freelanders, which come with v6s in come models.

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posted on 28/5/06 at 11:55 AM Reply With Quote
there are 3 mounts on the diff so torque about the back axle isnt a problem the top mounts are only there to stop torque about the propshaft. btw its 1" tube.


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JoelP

posted on 28/5/06 at 12:06 PM Reply With Quote
i think ive got mine upside down then! my front mounts are on the n/s. Are all three essential?
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MikeRJ

posted on 28/5/06 at 01:10 PM Reply With Quote
Ahh, that second picture explains a lot, the top brackets really don't have to do much at all with those front mounting bolts.
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Bob C

posted on 28/5/06 at 02:09 PM Reply With Quote
That'll teach me to get 1/2 the picture & shoot my mouth off.
So JoelP - 6 reverse gears and none forward, that should be interesting!!!! ;^)
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JoelP

posted on 28/5/06 at 03:24 PM Reply With Quote
lol
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the_fbi

posted on 28/5/06 at 05:47 PM Reply With Quote
Joel couldn't you just use the standard Westfield mounts for Megablade/Megabird which bolt the freelander diff straight onto the normal 7/7.5" Sierra diff points.

I can't imagine them being expensive as they are very simple.

I can't scan the page in at home, but I'll try and take a photo from the manual.......

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JoelP

posted on 28/5/06 at 05:50 PM Reply With Quote
cheers mate, that would be very useful.
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the_fbi

posted on 28/5/06 at 05:59 PM Reply With Quote
Big pic (1.8mb) so linked rather than pictured.

There are some build pictures in the manual too, but they aren't very clear in the manual so are pants photo'd.

big pic linky

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posted on 29/5/06 at 05:17 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by JoelP
i think ive got mine upside down then! my front mounts are on the n/s. Are all three essential?


i would use all three as it will keep the diff under better control and reduce the stress on each mount (the lateral ones dont look that strong on mine)

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