Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 09:23 AM |
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laying Lino!!
I'm going to put lino down in the bathroom, and at the moment its floorboards.
I'm assuming that i have to put some ply sheets down on top of the boards, what thickness do i need?
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shades
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 09:49 AM |
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I'd go for 4mm, but thats just a guess. And another guess being as its a bathroom you will need to watch for water and damp and how it will
affect the ply.
Thanks
Adrian
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spunky
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 09:51 AM |
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tbh...if the boards are good, ie level and tight, it's not really necessary.
I've layed straight over floorboards before with no probs. If you want to line it use very thin ply and panel pin it down.
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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mookaloid
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 10:10 AM |
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I would just use hardboard. the idea is just to cover the gaps in the floorboards so that the lino doesn't sink into the gaps which would then
show in time. Plywood is overkill OMHO
Cheers
Mark
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thunderace
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 10:36 AM |
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you only use plywood wbp ply from b&q its cheap
(waterproof boilproof ply)and you use ring shanked nails put one nail evry 30cm x 30cm across the full sheeted floor 2 cm in from the edges. if your
puting them in a standard wooden floor useing 6mm ply 10mm floor boards you should buy 16mm ring shanked nails as you dont want to hit any pipes under
the floor
as for hardboard if it gets wet it stinks it rots and it exspands and costs about the same as ply.hardboard is about as good a newspaper thats why
they invented Medite (waterproof hardboard mdf)
after 20 of years fiting kitchens and bathroom you learn a thing or two.
if its doing do it right or not at all as it will cost you a lot more in the long run.
[Edited on 23/9/06 by thunderace]
[Edited on 23/9/06 by thunderace]
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Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 11:01 AM |
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thanks guys..
off to the local BnQ..
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Danozeman
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 11:46 AM |
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Hardboard is better to use than ply.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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StevieB
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 01:18 PM |
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Never lay vinyl in bathrooms yourself! Many good men have gone insane trying to get a good fit around a toilet base!
Laminate flooring is even worse!
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froggy
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 01:31 PM |
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i did it once and made a right mess so ended up taking the toilet , sink and pedestal out laying a flat sheet and putting everything back on top of
it
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 02:22 PM |
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Worked for me!!
I took the toilet and basin pedestal out , then I cut the hardboard to be a good fit (3 bits together) , then before I fitted the board I layed it on
top of the vinyl / lino and marked round it and cut the vinyl.
Fitted the board with ring shank nails , then popped the vinyl down (no cutting!!) and finished it of with a small bead of white silicon.
Much easier than trying to cut the vinyl in situ........
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 02:39 PM |
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I wouldn't even consider lino these days.
Ceramic tiles are so cheep now and with modern adhesives you can lay directly onto sealed floorboards.
I personally wouldn't consider anything else in wet areas.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 02:58 PM |
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Ceramic tiles + wet bathroom = flat on your face. Just a tip. When I've layed floors in bathrooms we've sprinkled talc down before putting
the hardbaoard down, will absorb any moisture and supposed to stop it creaking or squeaking or summat.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 03:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
I wouldn't even consider lino these days.
Ceramic tiles are so cheep now and with modern adhesives you can lay directly onto sealed floorboards.
I personally wouldn't consider anything else in wet areas.
I thought tiles on a suspended floor are a big no no? Apart from the weight, surely all the grout between the tiles will crack as the floor flexes?
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 03:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Ceramic tiles + wet bathroom = flat on your face.
Err. don't you have bath mats where you are???
quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
I thought tiles on a suspended floor are a big no no? Apart from the weight, surely all the grout between the tiles will crack as the floor flexes?
As I said you have to use the correct "flexible adhesive"
I've got an on suite and a main bathroom that have been tiled for well over a year on suspended T&G, screwed and glued, chipboard flooring
with no signs of cracking or any other ill effects.
As for weight have you ever worked out how much a bath full of water weighs?
A few tiles are b***er all compared to this!!!!
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 03:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
As for weight have you ever worked out how much a bath full of water weighs?
Yes, have cracks in kitchen ceiling to prove it as well!
Not a fan of floor tiles though, slippery when wet, cold in the winter and zero chance of anything breakable surviving if dropped on it (and the risk
of cracking a tile if you drop something on it).
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 04:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Not a fan of floor tiles though, slippery when wet, cold in the winter and zero chance of anything breakable surviving if dropped on it (and the risk
of cracking a tile if you drop something on it).
I tend to agree about the cold.....
However I have just fitted a suspended, insulated, tiled floor in our conservatory and have installed underfloor heating.
Obviously not yet tested fully due to the unseasonally warm weather.
However we did switch it on the other evening and it sure feels nice on your feet.
We have dropped things on the kitchen tiles and true most things only get dropped the once.
However we have never chipped or cracked a tile.
I guess it's a case of each to his/her own.
We love em. Easy to clean and very practical with pets. (especially hairy dogs)
[Edited on 23-9-06 by BKLOCO]
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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thunderace
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 05:11 PM |
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after 20 years of fitting kitchens and bathrooms i do know what im talking about hardboard is for brain dead guys that know nothing about joinery only
what there mate told the down the pub one night pissed
Ever tried removing wet moldy expanded hardboard IT STINKS WHEN ITS DAMP OR WET..(Stuck down with ring shank nails after some diy guy pipes have been
leaking for a year )
Remove toilet sink door bath panels ect.
Makes it easy to lay the ply wbp will last for ever and not a year or two
IF IT’S WORTH DOING DO IT RIGHT OR NOT AT ALL
I MUST MAKE HALF MY MONEY REMOVING THE MESS BAD DIY GUYS DO.
FUNNY IT’S ALWAYS THE WIFE I DEAL WITH.
NEVE SEE THE HUSBAND
I NORMALLY CHARGE ABOUT DOUBLE FOR REPAIRING BAD DIY AS IT TAKE THAT LONG TO RIP OUT WHAT HES DONE
THE WIFE ALWAYS SAY YES NO MATER HOW MUCH MY QUOTE IS.
SORRY IF I SOUND A BIT HARD BUT IM SICK OF GUYS TAKING BS ABOUT STUFF THEY NO NOTHING ABOUT
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 05:17 PM |
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Hardboard can only get wet and soggy if the edges of the lino aren't sealed. I took up some very old lino when I moved into my current house
(had gone stiff and just broke when I lifted it) and the hardboard underneath was perfect.
Also the WPB and WPB ply refers only to the glue that holds the laminates together. If ply has to be continuously exposed to wet conditions it has to
be painted or otherwise protected or it will rot same as any wood.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 05:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Also the WPB and WPB ply refers only to the glue that holds the laminates together. If ply has to be continuously exposed to wet conditions it has to
be painted or otherwise protected or it will rot same as any wood.
Not quite true actually......
It's hardwood ply.....
It will rot but NOT quickly, and a coat of pissy varnish will seal it.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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thunderace
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 06:41 PM |
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I HAVE SEEN A TEST FOR BOAT BUILDING THE WBP WAS STUCK IN A BUCKET FOR ONE YEAR OUTSIDE TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN (THE WBP WAS FAR EASTERN FROM B&Q
12MM)
IT WAS FOUND TO BE 100% OK.
MOISTURE DAMPNESS AND CONDINSATION ALL WARP ROT AND EFECT HARDBOARD.
FFS AFTER 20 IN THE JOB I THINK I SHOULD KNOW WTF IM TALKING ABOUT OK.
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Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 23/9/06 at 06:57 PM |
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whoah there guys!!!!
We really can argue about anything, cant we??
anyway, thanks for all the advice; i think a combination of all the opinions leads to-
remove wc, pedestal, bath panel first
cut sheets as simply as possible
put sheets in to test fit
cut lino to size, using wood as template
tack wood down, then lay and glue lino
re-install wc, pedestal etc etc
that sound about right??
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