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andyps

posted on 16/2/07 at 04:01 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
http://www.thekitcarworkshop.co.uk/page31.html


That is a good looking "thought for the future"

Trouble is, whenever I see things like this I can't help feeling that they are unlikely to be Locost

[Edited on 16/2/07 by andyps]





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stevebubs

posted on 16/2/07 at 04:52 PM Reply With Quote
Yeah...Martin was struggling to find the business justification. Even more so now, I should imagine.
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Gaz 1977

posted on 16/2/07 at 07:04 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by macnab
Hmm, not ugly but I'd do a few changes

1) windscreen min 1/4 longer

If it was 1/4 longer it would be below the steering wheel and through the scuttle, so this is not physically possible.

2) Reduce front pillar thickness, a lot

It does need to be thinner but it will be made of fibreglass and it needs to be strong.

3) Include a Diablo cutout to the lower front door window line to improve visibility.

A Diablo is flat sided, this is not so it wouldn't work.

4) Make the bonnet more pointed, looks like a big tongue in the last pic.

This is going to be changed anyway, I have never been happy with it.

5) In one of the drawings the rear area was much smaller and lighter, that I liked a lot the model looks very fat from behind

I have just filled the whole of the back in to start again as I was not happy with it.

6) Front lights look to hidden for the SVA, I was wondering where they even were till I saw the front view.

The Aero 8 gets away with it! But again these will probably change.

7) The doors are going to be very thick, doubt they will hinge out, gullwings might end up very heavy with such a large lower door. Maclaren butterfly hinges might be the solution.

The doors are explained better earlier in this thread, with pictures.

Thanks for the comments.

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Gaz 1977

posted on 16/2/07 at 07:10 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tralfaz
I think you could raise the roofline slightly and thereby extend the windscreen/sidewindows a bit without detracting from the shape.


Brian


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Thanks for the image, the height of the model is quite deceptive in the photographs. Just to check it out I've just been in the garage and sat in my Dad's (907) locost and the top of the roof is the same height as his roll bar which gives a clear four inches over my head. That's with Cobra seats mounted two inches from the floor and I'm six foot tall. I'm going to mock up a roofline for a photo tomorrow.

Please keep the comments coming.

Thanks a lot,
Gaz

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Uphill Racer

posted on 16/2/07 at 07:35 PM Reply With Quote
Sorry Rob,
I 'm not sure how that vortex formation would block flow out of the wheelarch though - isn't it too low and further inboard?. Can you give a bit more detail?

My mistake, thought engine bay was exhausted from bottom of scallop behind wheel arch.

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Tralfaz

posted on 16/2/07 at 08:24 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gaz 1977
quote:
Originally posted by Tralfaz
I think you could raise the roofline slightly and thereby extend the windscreen/sidewindows a bit without detracting from the shape.


Brian






Image deleted by owner


Thanks for the image, the height of the model is quite deceptive in the photographs. Just to check it out I've just been in the garage and sat in my Dad's (907) locost and the top of the roof is the same height as his roll bar which gives a clear four inches over my head. That's with Cobra seats mounted two inches from the floor and I'm six foot tall. I'm going to mock up a roofline for a photo tomorrow.

Please keep the comments coming.

Thanks a lot,
Gaz


Hey Gaz,

My suggestion for raising the roof was less about head room and more about improving view and sight lines, and honestly the windows feel a little small proportionately to the rest of the car. From the sides the model doesn't look bad, but from the front the 'cockpit bubble' feels undersized.

Kind Regards,

Brian

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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 09:07 AM Reply With Quote
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hi brian, thanks for the comments.

what i could do is lower the side windows and the shoulder line a little which would enlarge the rear arch.

we are going to get the locost out the garage and have another measure this morning.

i need to come up with a better way of photographing the thing. The mottled matt finish hides the form, For example there is a huge bonnet bulge which never shows up.

Do you think if i sprayed it with water to get a shine the photos might work better?

thanks again.

Gaz

[Edited on 17/2/07 by Gaz 1977]

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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 02:17 PM Reply With Quote
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we have had a play in the garage and mocked the roof line the same height as the model but with the front a little heigher. 44 inches at the back and 42 at the front Rescued attachment roof side.jpg
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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 02:18 PM Reply With Quote
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and from the front. Rescued attachment sutol roof ft.jpg
Rescued attachment sutol roof ft.jpg

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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 02:20 PM Reply With Quote
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and from the head rest.

the scuttle on the car in the pic is the same height on my model.

thanks for the help

Gaz. Rescued attachment roof view.jpg
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escort_innit

posted on 17/2/07 at 02:59 PM Reply With Quote
If those are the headlights marked on in black tape I'm not sure I like them, the two very similar shapes look too fussy. Perhaps you could arrange the lightclusters around the airvents?

I did a couple of sketches to show what I mean; Rescued attachment DSC00617.jpg
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escort_innit

posted on 17/2/07 at 03:00 PM Reply With Quote
Or this; Rescued attachment DSC00616.jpg
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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 06:13 PM Reply With Quote
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nice idea
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Gaz 1977

posted on 17/2/07 at 07:54 PM Reply With Quote
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I have just read my last reply and it looks like it could be misinterpreted as taking the piss, so sorry for that, I do really like the idea of the lights where you have put them and i will definitely try them on the model.

thanks for everyone's responses

Gaz

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escort_innit

posted on 18/2/07 at 09:46 AM Reply With Quote
I didn't take it as offensive, but apology accepted anyway!
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chrisg

posted on 19/2/07 at 02:50 PM Reply With Quote
I've been thinking Gaz (dangerous I know) but because of the need to retain the high sill (side) of a Locost wouldn't a pop canopy like the Nova work?




No messing with butterfly doors or gull wings, simple and easy.

Just a thought.

Chris

Apparently Uroglass do the screens too!

[Edited on 19/2/07 by chrisg]

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Fred W B

posted on 19/2/07 at 05:36 PM Reply With Quote
But, how do you get out of the car if it happens to be upside down?

Cheers

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Gaz 1977

posted on 19/2/07 at 06:32 PM Reply With Quote
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hi chaps.

To answer fred, A door in the floor. (your last name isn't Flintstone is it)

The nova roof could be a bloody good idea.

I still fancy a removable hard top so what if the front screen stayed in place and the rest moved up and backwards?

On the screen front, i had a look at a smart roadster in a car park and it might well nearly fit. I know a guy a uni with one so i will give it a measure in the week.

the rear screen is not so much of a problem but how about using the new vauxhall tigra?

I will .be back working on the model tomorow and i will se if i can come up with a front end.

Thanks.

Gaz

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Gaz 1977

posted on 20/2/07 at 06:22 PM Reply With Quote
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here are the latest images, Rescued attachment feb 20 s34.jpg
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Gaz 1977

posted on 20/2/07 at 06:23 PM Reply With Quote
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and another Rescued attachment feb 20 ft34.jpg
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Gaz 1977

posted on 20/2/07 at 06:26 PM Reply With Quote
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and one more.

all comments would be greatfully recieved

thanks

GAZ Rescued attachment 20 feb side.jpg
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Tralfaz

posted on 20/2/07 at 10:15 PM Reply With Quote



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macnab

posted on 21/2/07 at 12:30 PM Reply With Quote
10/10, well done






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gottabedone

posted on 21/2/07 at 04:54 PM Reply With Quote
nice work

Gaz

Very nice work. Your initial designs were very nice but progressive works seem to water down what you initially intended. We all have our own views on design which are influienced by our favourite cars. Other peoples views are steering your design towards TVR/Marcos/Melling etc.

Your idea for the sculpted sides has raised many a readers eyebrows. There has been a lot of chat about aero dynamics but how efficient a shape is the 7 - not at all. The sides are one of the main features of your first drawings and IMO helped to lessen the impression of the height of the car.
Your design is wicked and I think that you should model the car the way you intended - with a few modifications of course.

keep up the good work - does this pikky (hope it works!!) of the saab aero x get you thinking about your roof????

regards


Steve

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gottabedone

posted on 21/2/07 at 04:59 PM Reply With Quote
OOPS!!!!

I've put the image of the saab in my photo archive

regards

Steve

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