carnut1100
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 posted on 19/7/03 at 12:32 PM |
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I am very angry!
I have been doing a bit of research into this, and I have found out that if I want to build a Locost in Australia it must be registered as a new car.
That means it must pass the current emissions laws, and I need an engine from a new car!!
I cannot use one car to provide all of the components and register it as that car, and if I want to use an engine that has not been approved I have to
pay $2,500 for an emissions test
Bloody government gone crazy!
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mattstead
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 posted on 19/7/03 at 07:55 PM |
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Really?
Can this really be the case? $2500 isn't exactly in the locost spirit. I am certainly not saying that you are wrong, but why do you need a NEW
engine just to pass current emmission regs'? there must be a whole host of modern, yet old engines engines that are still capable of passing
current regs, i.e. nissan, mazda, toyota etc. Why can't you fit a catalyst to an old engine if you want to? or fit throttle bodys / mappable
engine management and re tune the engine to pass the emmission test. Have a look at this link of a locost builder in OZ...maybe you could contact
him.
http://www.qsl.net/vk4ir/clubman/clubman.htm
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/7/03 at 09:17 PM |
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carnut,
Try subscribing to the Yahoo Locost group for Oz at http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Locost_Oz/
A lot of good people on that group, and they know the Oz ADRs inside-out. They'll also know which engines are acceptable.
cheers,
David
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carnut1100
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| posted on 20/7/03 at 12:49 PM |
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Thanks, I'll try that.
You certainly can fit throttle bodies and a fully mappable ECU, but the government test to prove that it passes the regulations costs $2,500
Besides that, you need to submit the chassis for testing, at around $400.
In Tasmania, the state I am in, I can use an engine from around 1986 or newer until the end of the year, then I will have to use one from after 1997
or thereabouts I can't get one finished by the end of the year, as I have so much else to do (like studying), and not the money to get
everything at once. The bloody government must have too little to do, otherwise they would not restrict everything they can get their hands on
Sorry about that, but it felt good to let off some steam Even the SVA in England is not as bad as it is here. That is why hardly anyone gets one
built for less than $10,000 here.
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escary
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| posted on 21/7/03 at 06:35 PM |
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could this help?
for that kind of cash could you register in another counrty with sensible laws and show it as an import?
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MustangSix
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| posted on 21/7/03 at 07:50 PM |
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It's good to be in the USA
No SVA.
No "torsional chassis test"
No emmisions testing here in Florida. Use whatever engine/trans fits.
No annual inspections.
No certifications required from any government official.
All I have to do is document that the car was not built from stolen parts by showing reciepts. Title and registration = Approx. $150.
I do have to comply with the state motor vehicle code (lights, wipers, brakes, etc) but there is no formal inspection process required to ensure
compliance. I could be stopped and ticketed if an officer feels that I don't comply, but I can show later the defect is corrected.
Other states and localities are more strict.
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ijohnston99
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| posted on 22/7/03 at 07:18 PM |
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Now we find out the reason Alan B moved to Florida!!!
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carnut1100
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| posted on 9/8/03 at 04:17 PM |
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If a car is over 15 years old it can be imported no worries, so I could theoretically get one from England that has been registered as a Ford Escort
and import it, but if the car is under 15 years old, it must comply with the regulations for the time it was built. If that model was not sold here
new then it must undergo rigourous and expensive certification, and if a car is imported without an import permit it must be re-exported or crushed at
your expense, even if you don't want it for the road.
Maybe I'll move somewhere that the government is not so crazy! Not Florida though, too many aligators!
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JoelP
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| posted on 9/8/03 at 04:48 PM |
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aligators maybe, but atleast they let u use papier mashe chassis' (however u spell it)... free fuel and 20 ltr engines. now wheres my passport
gone...?
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carnut1100
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| posted on 16/8/03 at 02:20 PM |
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What are they like in New Zealand on those matters? The reason I ask is that I might be spending a year or two over there fairly soon, and I
wouldn't mind building one over there, especially if they are a little less hassle than here.
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Alan B
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| posted on 27/8/03 at 03:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ijohnston99
Now we find out the reason Alan B moved to Florida!!!
Pure coincidence mate........honest
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Alan B
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| posted on 27/8/03 at 03:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
aligators maybe, but atleast they let u use papier mashe chassis' (however u spell it)... free fuel and 20 ltr engines. now wheres my passport
gone...?
Alligators are no problem...we just eat 'em...(well not me, but some do)...check my nearest restuarant...
http://www.florida-secrets.com/Restaurants/EC/Marsh.htm
Tastes like chicken apparently...
Oh yeah, and fuel has gone up a bit lately...about $1.70 a gallon (about a quid-20 ?)
But, it's not a bad place to build cars...
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chrisg
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| posted on 27/8/03 at 06:32 PM |
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Apparently Exiled Lancastrians taste like chicken to the alligators!!
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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Alan B
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| posted on 27/8/03 at 07:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chrisg
Apparently Exiled Lancastrians taste like chicken to the alligators!!
Cheers
Chris
That hasn't been proven..........but I won't take any chances just in case.....
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thekafer
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 posted on 5/9/03 at 04:44 AM |
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S.E.M.A My heroes!!!
More and more states in the U.S. are adopting new legislation that allows a builder to register the car either by the year of the engine or as the
year of car it most closely resembles,in our case a 1957 lotus seven(in my case 1957 pile-o-poo)!That means they are grandfathered from emissions
testing. And they say special interest lobby groups are bad.The killer seems to be insurance. Oh well,God bless this representitive republic of
ours!!!Go S.E.M.A.!!!
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flip
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| posted on 16/9/03 at 10:51 PM |
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I have just run into simular problems in Austria. An official here (we have lots of them!) said it was not impossible but it is very difficult to
register a kit car. The chassis has to pass crash tests (front, back and side) to European Standards. Emissions are also tested to the same standards
as new cars, and the list goes on.
But what else can be expected from a country where you are not allowed to wash your car in the street or do an oil change yourself!
I found it quite strange though that the same official told about loop holes that make it easier to get a car registered.
It is quite strange thinking about building a car and not knowing whether you will be allowed to drive it or not.
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Noodle
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| posted on 17/9/03 at 06:09 AM |
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Flip,
As Austria are in the EU, can't you register your vehicle in another member nation and then take it back home? There's a chap on this
forum from Portugal who's looking at putting his car through the UK's SVA.
Got to be worth a look.
Cheers,
Neil.
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flip
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| posted on 17/9/03 at 12:30 PM |
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Yes and No.
One way is to register the car in the UK with UK SVA test and then after 6 months bring it to Austria and say that you have moved house from UK to
Austria and you are bringing the car with you. This way the rules are more flexible but this is still not 100% and only works if you have a UK
passport.
The problem in Austria is, even if the car is registered in the UK is that it is retested using the same rules that apply to a new car. Even for a
standard production car it isn't so simple... and on top of everything you still have to pay approx. 8% of the value of the car in tax.
According to the guy I spoke to about all this, the rules are slowly being changed in line with other European Countries! From that I guess that some
other European Countries will also be making it more difficult to register kit cars.
Another way could be to register a car in the UK with a donor aged plate which is over 25 years old. ie ford escort donor on a T plate or older. When
this is registered in Austria, this is then classed as a classic car and again the rules are more flexible. Once registered in Austria it is then
possible to 'change parts', to the specification that you require. Only a change of the motor needs a new test, but as it stands at the
moment, you could fit a brand new motor, and the emissions for the classic car motor still stand. In other words, you could more or less build a new
car and use the old 'classic car' registration documents. Complicated, but about the easiest way at the moment.
I am thinking about registering it in the UK with my parents name and just drive it with UK plates.
There is a law which states that if you live in Austria for longer than 6 months then you have to register the car here, but if it isn't your
car then you can't!
[Edited on 17/9/03 by flip]
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