Smartripper
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| posted on 30/10/07 at 09:27 PM |
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ZX12R Not starting
Hello,
Got a fellow builder overhere, and the ZX12R engine just don't want to start up.
Got the resistor (100 ohm) in the grey wire from the ignition switch.
When turning ignition on the fuelpump don't prime itself?????
Checked all off the wires now, but have no idea what it can be ..
The engine is turning over just don't start.
Daniel
[Edited on 30/10/07 by Smartripper]
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dan__wright
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| posted on 30/10/07 at 09:43 PM |
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any fault codes? whats going on with the clocks? fi light on or flashing?
FREE THE ROADSTER ONE…!!
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 30/10/07 at 11:08 PM |
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Its the wrong wattage with the 100ohm resistor you need at least 5 watts. Go to Maplins and buy a 7.watt for 28p they are covered in cement. I had the
same problem as the resistor was letting the current go to the ecu but there was'nt enough power earth out one of the pins I I bet you that
you've not got a spark and the injectors don't fire.
Carl
[Edited on 30/10/07 by carlgeldard]
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 30/10/07 at 11:11 PM |
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I got one like this cheaper instore
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tks
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 12:38 AM |
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cant be true 7watts is way over kill.
12volts 100ohm says the amps wich will run max!! 0.12Amps
P=U*I = 12*0.12 = 1,44watt needed
Tks
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 07:52 AM |
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Well mine didn't start. No fuel pump,No spark and the injectors would not fire. Followed advice on here that any 100 ohm resistor would be fine.
and spend 3 weeks checking the wiring and sensors for input and output voltage etc and found nothing. I then got another ECU as I thought that was
dead. I still had the problem. I then ignored Locostbuilders and got a bigger 100ohm resistor and it fired straight away.
Carl
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 08:22 AM |
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Sorry I now remember 7 watt was not in store. I used a 5 watt.
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tks
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 10:38 AM |
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Yeah
thats what i told you!!!
7 WATTS ARE OVER KILL!! 1,5WATT WOULD BE ENOUGH!
Saying that it still sounds strange because your giveing a ADC voltage to the cpu and you aren't powering an motor or something else ok? Maybe
you hadn't an 100ohm resistor but an 100K etc. etc.
anyway it works so who cares?
Tks
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BenB
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 10:41 AM |
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Seems strange. Perhaps the low rated resistor is getting that hot trying to pass that much current that it's resistance is changing too much out
of spec???
Otherwise the usual problem of using too low a rated resistor is that they get blooming hot and you burn your finger on it!!!
Are you getting any sparking at all? If not the ECU isn't playing ball (does the engine loom have any sidestand switches / tilt switches etc
etc). If so, its going to be fuelling. Is the fuel pump ECU driven? You could try by-passing it and then starting the engine!!! If it works at least
you know for some reason the ECU driven fuel pump isn't working (again, check for neutral switches, sidestand switches etc).
I think on my ST1100 originally, it had about five switches to stop you from starting it
1) clutch switch
2) neutral switch
3) sidestand switch
4) kill switch
5) tilt / lean switch
and you might even have had to be applying the brake!!!
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Aico
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 01:10 PM |
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Put some fuel in 
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dan__wright
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 03:25 PM |
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do you get any fault codes or fi lights etc?
FREE THE ROADSTER ONE…!!
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Smartripper
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 05:24 PM |
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Hello,
No fi lights or fault codes.
Going to look for a different resistor then....
Thanks everyone.
Daniel
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 31/10/07 at 05:40 PM |
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No the Fi light did not work as the ecu needs to earth and its a switch earth via that resistor
Carl
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Smartripper
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| posted on 3/11/07 at 05:41 PM |
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Hello,
Well same problem again, got a resistor from 5 watts now, but still no priming and starting.......... no FI lights..
Daniel
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tks
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| posted on 4/11/07 at 12:27 PM |
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wich year is the engine from?
(is the ohm trick still valid)
measure and check all the thinks like
- neutral diodes
- neutral switch
- clutch switch
etc. etc.
Tks
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Smartripper
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| posted on 4/11/07 at 12:51 PM |
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engine is a 2001 model.
starter is working, just no fuel and spark....
daniel
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tks
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| posted on 4/11/07 at 05:24 PM |
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starter is basic thing...
mine engine can crank while killswitch is in OFF position.
Do you have voltage at the coils?
Voltage at the injectors?
pump doesn't prime is the relais provided with 12volts for the pump?
is it provided with ground or 12volt to operate??
with the wireing diagram it should be easy really...
Tks
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Smartripper
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| posted on 4/11/07 at 05:36 PM |
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Hello,
Got a diagram, and the fuelpump relais is switch with ground.
Relais got 12volt and fuelpump is working i've i bypass the relais, but the ground normaly comes from the ECU.
No voltage at coils and injectors, so the ECU doesn't do it's job.
Daniel
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Smartripper
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| posted on 10/11/07 at 05:05 PM |
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Hello,
With the help of TKS here...... it was a diode in the starter circuit...
Daniel
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