hillbillyracer
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 09:58 PM |
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Anybody using the Fiesta 1.25l engine?
Has anyone fitted or planning to use the 1.25l engine from the later Ford Fiesta? Does it use the old Ford bellhousing bolt pattern or is different
like the Duratec?
It may seem a strange choice against a bike engine or a bigger Zetec but have you driven a Fiesta with one, not what you'd call fast but very
lively & willing.
I'm thinking they should be available fairly cheap, compact, light, seem to be reliable, economical (sevens have a small tank!) & would
generally suit the character of the car.
I'm not looking to build something silly quick, just fun to go for a blast about it on a weekend.
P.S. dont even start about the BEC thing, IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING, OK?
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 10:07 PM |
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It's a fecking horrible engine. Revvy and willing just means gutless and slow. It doesn't share the same bolt pattern, as it's part
of the Yamaha developed Zetec-SE range (although there are bellhousing out there for it). If you want something small and economical, you might as
well look at the 1.4 version which is a darn sight better. My choice would either be the 1.6, or 1.7VVC Puma engine though.
[Edited on 7/11/07 by Fatboy Dave]
Dave
Stop the planet, I want to get off
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 10:21 PM |
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I get the impression you're not too keen on them?  .
I had a feeling it was related to the Puma engine, the different bellhousing means it has no advantage over any other engine that doesnt fit straight
onto a cheap common RWD box such as a Ford.
So the 1.4 & 1.6 is the same type of motor as in 1.4, 1.6 & 1.8 K series are the same?
The 1.7vvc would indeed be the choice in that group but ny car is going to be a real budget job, going for most per £. Bigger engines etc can be
upgraded to later if I want.
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david walker
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 10:27 PM |
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Nah, listen to the Fatboy, we always agree!
The 1250 Fiesta engine is little better than an Ecotec (sorry mate couldn't help it!)
Dave Walker, Race Engine Services - 07957 454659 or 01636 671277
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 11:05 PM |
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Doesnt really matter, it doesnt fit a RWD gearbox easily which is the only reason I'd thought of it. I might as well look at any other sub
1600cc car engine. I heard the 1600 ecotec isnt a daft motor really, might just go with a 1600 zetec, it's just a nuts & bolts job to fit
using stock ford bits innit? Plenty folk have managed to get one running one way or another with or without the stock ECU.
P.S. is it the same Dave Walker I've heard about building grasser motors? I'm taking a break from Autograss while I build the seven &
sort a few other things.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 7/11/07 at 11:11 PM |
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When figuring in £££ per - rather than just look at the basic price of an engine I think you should really look at what its going to cost to get it
fitted and running in a car. Keep things simple and fit whats been done loads of times before and you can buy off-the-shelf manifolds, induction, ECU
etc etc etc (or even pick up 2nd hand) which is what keeps the cost down - not fitting a dirt cheap engine from a scrappy as there are loads around
and nobody wants them, and then having to have custom this n that to get it running.
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RickRick
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 07:16 AM |
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i've got a 1.6 fiesta zetecs, people seem to have had issues with the silver top one from the older ZS, but ford claim 103 bhp, and most people
that have changed for a 4 2 1 manifold have gained 10 or more bhp. look at fords manifold and you might see why
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ned
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 07:17 AM |
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In the zetec se range the 1.6 would be the one i'd go for and i'd be very suprised if a donor engine costs any more than a 1.25. Sure the
bellhousing is a couple of hundred quid extra but it's a very nice and compact engine, easy to fit in and is also nice and light being all ally
which the other alternatives probably won't be.
As budget allows there are tuning bits available to take it over 200bhp relatively easily.
Also the standard inlet and throttle body can be retained saving on manifold and bike throttle body conversion (recoups cost of bellhousing) as they
face down on the passenger side. Only real drawback imho is having exhaust on drivers side and fitting a heat shield over the silencer...
Most engines now need an aftermarket ecu or megadoodah so just the sump to sort. One of he donor's (I think the focus) even has tubular steel
headers that could be utilised for exhaust on a budget.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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procomp
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 08:50 AM |
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Hi plenty of people are using the zetec se engines. Westfield as a manufacturer fit it as std in some models and there are quite a few out in
competition these days.
The 1.6 can give upto 170 hp and the 1.7 with a lot of work can give 243hp reliably. For bellhousings try aldon automotive. I'll sort a link
out.
Cheers Matt
LINK TO ALDONS
[Edited on 8/11/07 by procomp]
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coozer
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 09:34 AM |
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I think Sylva use it in the Riot??
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 09:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
I think Sylva use it in the Riot??
In the Riot SE, you are correct. It does of course have the advantage of being mid engined though and so uses the standard gearbox and bellhousing
which might be an influencing factor.
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ned
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 10:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
The 1.6 can give upto 170 hp and the 1.7 with a lot of work can give 243hp reliably. For bellhousings try aldon automotive. I'll sort a link
out.
Cheers Matt
LINK TO ALDONS
Bits also available from shawspeed (including engine tuning kits), bellhousing and other bits also from quantum and westfield.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 11:46 AM |
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If you want to save £'s, then this engine is a no go, as you will need a CAT (engine post '95), custom Bellhouse, aftermarket ECU
(original won't work unless you get the full wiring loom with barrel and key)
I think you'd better go for a 1.8 silvertop pre 95 escort zetec with stock ecu and stuff. Only thing you need to mock up then is a
inletmanifold, correct clutchplate and startermotor (sierra 1.8 cvh or 2.0 DOHC)
http://www.clubstylus.be
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takumi
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 12:52 PM |
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Excellent engines.
I have a 1.6L Zetec-S engine mated to a type9.
The two top bolts line up, thats it.. you can be creative and get another few bolts through, if you don't mind drilling a couple more hole in
your bell housing..
RobinHood 2B 2.0i pinto, Keihin 38mm Carbs, lightened flywheel, O'Mori remote filter kit, 10 row oil cooler. Modified head, 10.2cr, special
valves FR22 cam, 4- 1 header.
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hillbillyracer
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| posted on 8/11/07 at 08:29 PM |
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Cheers for the replies folk. Cost-wise it does make sense to follow a well trodden path & just copy other instalations but on the other hand
I've always liked to be a bit different!
I wont be going to buy any custom bellhousings & manifolds etc, if I cant find it in a scrappy or make it myself then it wont be on the car. That
doesnt rule everything out of the ordinary out though, my grasser was a Mini with a Montego turbo & then Rover M series engines in the front!
I may just go for the old Silver top Zetec for an easy install but I'm just sounding ideas out at the mo then if I get the chance of an engine
at the right money I can make a more informed choice having a fair idea what's involved in getting it in & running.
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