graememk
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 09:50 PM |
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whos gone cec to bec
can i have some feedback please
i just need more power.
[Edited on 13/1/08 by graememk]
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Howlor
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 09:54 PM |
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He's teetering!
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matt.c
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 09:59 PM |
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Whats with these bug things?
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locoR1
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 09:59 PM |
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He just needs a little push
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matt.c
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 10:00 PM |
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OMG! Its on my message now! 
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locoR1
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 10:01 PM |
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Now my post looks odd! i havent got a bug
[Edited on 13/1/08 by locoR1]
That's better now i don't feel left out
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tjoh84
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| posted on 13/1/08 at 10:11 PM |
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iv got zxrlocost taking my car end of month to go cec to bec
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Hellfire
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 12:23 AM |
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The engine change is very rarely BEC to CEC... so all who have changed have been CEC to BEC...
Once you have the BEG (Bike engine Grin) you wont go back...
Steve
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 03:29 AM |
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I quite like the sound track to
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worX
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 06:03 AM |
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Everyone with a bit of common sense! 
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
can i have some feedback please
i just need more power.
[Edited on 13/1/08 by graememk]
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welderman
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 06:38 AM |
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Ive got a bec turbo now, mate has a cec pinto. There was nothing to compare as the bec was much quicker before the turbo went on, i/we thought the cec
was pretty fas and is against most road cars but, bec turbo is super car territory now.
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 01:11 PM |
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not going to compare mine to a turbo bike engine jobbie, but having been out in both, I STILL prefer my vauxhall power to "std busa
power"...........
I must emphasise that is a completely std hayabusa in a westfield which was not the lightest possible build, but my vauxhall has NO problem in any
way, keeping with it, and has reverse, and is relaxed cruising in 5th gear..............
horses for courses!!
A lot of time i the BEC is spent charging up and down the gearbox. This is no bad experience as the change is nice, but in the CEC is goes just as
fast if not a bit faster, with much less gearstick wobbling!!
There's no absolute answer.
I won't argue with Hellfire's point of view if he doesn't argue with mine lol!
If you want to try it, do it! I doubt you will go back, as you will find a decent BEC installation quicker than "MOST" locost CEC
setups.
That's not to say that a well thought out CEC setup isn't comparable or better!
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timcullen
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 04:24 PM |
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I'm going from x/flow to r1 power and can't wait!!
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zilspeed
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 05:16 PM |
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What NS DEV said.
Up here, the most consistently succesfull sports car in sprints and hillclimbs is a Westfield powered by a 1.6 Vauxhall 16 valve. In the paddock it
ticks over silently and then goes out and slays them all.
Competition includes all the usual stuff - Westfields, Caterhams, Fishers, Sylvas and most have bike engines.
BEC is a fantastic thing indeed, but it is not the only answer.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 07:45 PM |
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surely theres more to it
a 1.6 vauxhall car slays everything ?
the only car engine to even bother my R1 car was bouldy's very nice V8 indy. my car was like a bullet to 60 and still very quick after
his car was quick then seriously powerful after 60mph
horses for courses
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zilspeed
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 09:03 PM |
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Log onto the SBD website - it's the red car on the front page. :-)
I'm told it has somewhere good of 240bhp.
I do fully appreciate that this engine probably cost more than even the most current bike engine, but our man wanted to win - and does.
As you said - horses for courses.
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JoelP
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 09:17 PM |
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i did a bec swap on my old car. I found it a little quick for road use, but i am lacking in self control. Getting out of the car giggling and shaking
isnt what you really need after a trip to the shops for milk.  Maybe if you are more responsible than me you wont have to drive everywhere like
you're on a trackday.
One thing to bear in mind, once you do a bec swap you cant really let your friends or the missus drive it, as they are unlikely to manage the clutch
or gearchange.
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iank
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| posted on 14/1/08 at 09:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
Log onto the SBD website - it's the red car on the front page. :-)
I'm told it has somewhere good of 240bhp.
I do fully appreciate that this engine probably cost more than even the most current bike engine, but our man wanted to win - and does.
As you said - horses for courses.
This one
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Case_Studies/CaseStudies_GarryDickson.htm
241bhp from a 1.6 is really going some on the bhp/litre front... in fact pretty much what you'd expect from a 1.6 litre bike engine if they
made them...
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:28 PM |
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As NS Dev alluded to, a lot of CEC to BEC conversion will be from lower powered CECs (Pintos, XFlows etc) to a more powerful BEC so you do need to
compare like for like.
From what Ive seen on track, if you can get around 190-200bhp out of a CEC, it will be similar overall performance to a 150-160bhp BEC in straightline
performance. I think the Vx engine is good value for money in this respect and an install could probably be done at a similar cost to an R1 and give
simillar performance. To get 200bhp out of a lot of other engines though (Zetec etc) seems to require some reasonable tuning investment so probably
isnt as cost effective.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 15/1/08 at 06:37 PM |
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Yep, wot they said!!
There is no absolute answer.
I really wasn't sure whether to go for a hayabusa or the vauxhall engine. It came down to price, the vauxhall was cheaper for the same power to
weight ratio.
I didn't count turbos as I don't like them.
Its not a cut and dried question if you do your research right.
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