ch1ll1
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 posted on 21/3/08 at 01:32 PM |
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r1 wont run
hi all,
got a 1999 r1 that wont run
turns over fires up ok
just wont run,
any ideas
done the normal stuff, clutch switch etc
any ideas
cheers paul
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worX
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:34 PM |
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If it fires up ok, then it "shouldn't" be electrical...
Have you got a decent fuel supply?
Is it new fuel?
how is your throttle cable attached?
Do you have a choke on it?
Will it run at tickover OR full throttle etc.?
Answer a few of these to give us some more to go on
Steve
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:39 PM |
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never had this prob b4
4th bec ive done,
turns over ok, fires up straight away !
just wont run, on choke, with throttle, with out it
only fires up ! nothing else
i had to remove a data tool alarm (blip not responding
but like you said if it fires it should be ok,
its a strange one,
3 days on it so far !
brain is going now!
paul
[Edited on 21/3/08 by ch1ll1]
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worX
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:50 PM |
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You would of thought that there was enough fuel in the float bowls to do more than just start up so that hints that it's not your fuel pump but
doesn't eliminate it altogether.
How is the pressure from the pump? (was talking to Chris Mason recently) you could check the pressure by disconnecting the hose at the carbs and
getting a clean bucket ready.
What pump are you using? (is it R1, is it 2nd hand or new)
When I said that it wasn't elctrics, I was referring more to the changes that you've made to the loom, clutch/sidestand/neutral mods that
you've prob got right as it's your 4th.
Do you have anyone local that you can swap and change stuff with?
TPS, ECU etc?
Steve
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tim windmill
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:52 PM |
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have you checked the tilt switch? ours did this, fired up and then died!!
cheers Tom
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:55 PM |
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tried 2 fuel pumps r1+blade pump
no one local i dont think!
got a good friend at a bike shop 
might have to pay him a visit.
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 01:58 PM |
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dont think its got i tilt switch !
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worX
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:18 PM |
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I'm not sure the '99 R1 has a tilt sensor does it, plus a tilt switch should stop the fuel pump and it starting altogether (I know Tim
said different, but there's an exception to most rules!).
Have you tried the diff pumps to counter this current problem?
Have you used New Fuel hose? (it can perish and collapse but look fine externally)
Have you made any changes to the carbs/jets/manifold etc?
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TimC
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:19 PM |
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Hmmm... should just be the clutch and stand switches to 'defeat' - what have you done with the stop switch?
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:21 PM |
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new copper fuel line
not tuched the carbs. YET
got the original stop/start switch,
not butcherd it yet ! 
[Edited on 21/3/08 by ch1ll1]
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TimC
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:25 PM |
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Stop switch might be worth a look.
Makes me so happy that I:
a. Butchered my loom to get rid of all the crap.
b. Managed to make it all work.
Sorry about the smugness.
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welderman
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:49 PM |
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If the stop switch wasn't already correct in it's operation then it would prevent it from starting/turning/catching etc all together...
Smugness Tim, how did you get on with the rest of your car?
Oh, hang on a minute, didn't you set your car on fire when you wired it up???
quote:
Originally posted by TimC
Stop switch might be worth a look.
Makes me so happy that I:
a. Butchered my loom to get rid of all the crap.
b. Managed to make it all work.
Sorry about the smugness.
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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TimC
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 02:57 PM |
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Thanks Joe!
If your wiring turns out as tidy as mine, talk to me again.
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 04:36 PM |
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just checked stop switch.
butcherd it,
now on seperate switches
still no go !
could have some thing to do with the alarm i took out
paul
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smart51
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 04:53 PM |
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If it cranks and fires, its not an electrical problem, almost certainly. If it is electrical, it won't be anything to do with the switches or
it wouldn't even fire.
My first thoughts are fuel or perhaps air flow. Are your jets partly blocked? It must be getting some fuel to fire but then not enough to start.
Are your float levels OK? Check them with a piece of transparent hose.
Mine wouldn't start when I first tried it. I was told to get some engine start spray. "I use 'Start you 8astard' but you
can't get it in this country" was the actual advice. He then suggested a squirt of WD40 in each carb. If it goes for a couple of seconds
then you know what it is. Mine would run on a short squirt in each carb every 2 seconds or so. Probably not a good idea to run on WD for a prolonged
period but for a few seconds will be OK.
Are your carbs sealed to the engine OK? Perhaps you're getting air sucked in, diluting the mixture. Get out the WD40 again. Squirt round all
the rubber connectors. If you're leaking air in, you'll now leak WD in, and it'll run on that.
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Coose
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 04:59 PM |
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When you say it "fires", I assume you're getting an odd pop and bang when you're turning ot over on the starter? Have you got
the plugs leads connected the right way round? What state are the plugs in?
Spin 'er off Well...
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 05:15 PM |
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Is the timing out? main/idle jet or jets blocked? Fresh fuel?
Coose might be on to something with the plug order...
all the best, I hate head scratchers with 100 possible causes.
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 05:19 PM |
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it fires up, runs for a split second or two,
so i would say fuel,
think its time to rip the carbs to bits!! 
paul
[Edited on 21/3/08 by ch1ll1]
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martylemoo
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 05:44 PM |
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Does the alarm you removed have a built in immobiliser that might have been cutting the fuel supply?
Do you have power to the pump when trying to run the engine?
If it all worked fine before removal of alarm then I would almost certainly be looking at that first as a possible cause.
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 21/3/08 at 06:12 PM |
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fuel pump pumps.
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 22/3/08 at 09:10 AM |
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open the float bowl drains,and drain use fresh fuel,use a gravity feed to carbs, if still no joy has some-one messed with the throttle position
sensor, if it pops is sounds like fueling
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ch1ll1
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| posted on 22/3/08 at 07:53 PM |
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ok striped the carbs today !
cleaned them didn't look to bad, still no joy,
but if i hold the starter on it runs longer !
so i was thinking (might be looking to deep into this)
on the wiring loom it show the cycle-lock
mine don't have that !
what if the data-tool alarm removed the wiring block from the cycle-lock
and just used those wires,
and I've not connected them up as they should be !
would i get it to at least fire up and then cut out,
tried today to start her up
with the throttle wide open, it revved up and stopped after a second,
would i be able to wire it up so on cranking i get alive but when i stop cranking i lose a power some where?
paul
p.s
think i will get a loom just to try it !
any thoughts?
[Edited on 22/3/08 by ch1ll1]
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smart51
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| posted on 23/3/08 at 09:05 AM |
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The switches and lockouts on the carbed R1 loom disable cranking and starting. If yours runs on the switch then its fine, it just doesn't make
enough power to keep itself going.
My working R1 engine is a bit like that if its been sat in sub zero temperatures.
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MR2
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 07:56 AM |
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try starting it with a freind who spayes brake cleaner or deodorant in the carbs, if its consistenly runs on deodorant its the fuel system. spark =
spark, it even runs if you switch the coils. already had two R1 engines, only problem I had with the carbs was hat two cylinders were pluged,bot with
throttle the came along. cleaned it and presto.....
engine is technical OK?? compression etc. sparkplug loose??
gr MR2
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locoboy
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| posted on 24/3/08 at 11:08 AM |
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I agree with the above, I had problems getting mine to start.
With the plugs removed i had one round of sparks then no more, so it would fire up then stop.
Have you checked to see you have a repeating spark when cranking?
Mine was all down to not earthing a wire from the relay box.
ATB
Locoboy
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