owelly
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| posted on 10/9/08 at 10:45 PM |
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One car fits all for SVA?
This may be a forbidden question, so feel free to shout and curse at me but......
Has no-one used the same car, with a different ID for several SVAs?
I mean, instead of folks flapping about fitting stuff for the SVA only to rip it all off as soon as the car has the ticket, has anyone got a car to
hire out that has all that is needed for SVA but just needs a new set of chassis numbers stamping in?
Then, remove the chassis numbers to rent out next time.
I'm totally aware of the consequences of not SVAing a car correctly as all my cars are legitimately registered but utter death-traps. They were
all registered before the SVA was needed. Hence the reason for the SVA!!
Swapping the ID off crusty old Duttons and Rickmans is very popular as I've seen smashed-up heaps sell for hundreds on Ebay, (see how much this
goes for
Scrap Dutton ) only for the reg number to pop up a few months later on something else and
it's easy to run a reg number through RAC Car details checky thing So
'ringing' a car for SVA must happen??
<<Crouches behind the dog to avoid shouty folks>>
[Edited on 10/9/08 by owelly]
[Edited on 10/9/08 by owelly]
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 10/9/08 at 11:16 PM |
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Are you serious?? Can you tell me whats so different between the above dumb idea and getting someone else to take your driving test for you?? Both are
illegal for a very good reason!!!!!
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adithorp
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| posted on 10/9/08 at 11:42 PM |
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...and once you've got it on the road all legal and everything, put a different reg number on it. Pick one belonging to an old lady whose car
you saw outside Asda. That way you can drive as fast asyou like past those sneeky cameras and park anywhere and she'll get all the tickets.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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RK
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 02:03 AM |
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It sounds highly dubious to me. Just my own opinion of course.
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eznfrank
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 05:52 AM |
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To be fair, he didn't actually say he was going to do it, just wondered if it happens? I would imagine it does happen to a very small extent but
due to the small numbers of sva test stations i would imagine it wouldn't take long to be rumbled.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 06:38 AM |
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Stupid idea 
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mad4x4
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 06:43 AM |
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Oh I think it probably does happen on ocasion but you would be daft to advertise that you know that it is happening or infact have done it.
(As the authorities will get you or the Heavies of the Blokes who are "ringing" kits will as it would have to be well organized)
It would be highly illegal for a start....
Same happens with old landrovers. Landrover never made a Series 1 with a Defender body and coil springs yet there are quite a few that are and
that's for one reason only gain "historic vehicle status" and get free road tax......
I personally think you would have to be pretty stupid to try it and equal as stupid to sell the vehicle knowing it was a ringer.
The SVA test is to ensure that the vehicle is deemed "safe" to use i.e that it wont kill you by seatbelts failing or a wheel falling off
or worst killing someone else.
Now if you drive it like an ARSE and then kill yourself by hitting a tree then more fool you.
Alot of the duttons you mention came from the pre -sva days and still say "ford cortina" on the V5 - DVLA/VoSA have just done an ammesty
on trying to get these re-registered as kitcars etc...
[Edited on 11/909/08 by mad4x4]
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 07:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
This may be a forbidden question, so feel free to shout and curse at me but......
Has no-one used the same car, with a different ID for several SVAs?
I mean, instead of folks flapping about fitting stuff for the SVA only to rip it all off as soon as the car has the ticket, has anyone got a car to
hire out that has all that is needed for SVA but just needs a new set of chassis numbers stamping in?
Then, remove the chassis numbers to rent out next time.
I'm totally aware of the consequences of not SVAing a car correctly as all my cars are legitimately registered but utter death-traps. They were
all registered before the SVA was needed. Hence the reason for the SVA!!
Swapping the ID off crusty old Duttons and Rickmans is very popular as I've seen smashed-up heaps sell for hundreds on Ebay, (see how much this
goes for
Scrap Dutton ) only for the reg number to pop up a few months later on something else and
it's easy to run a reg number through RAC Car details checky thing So
'ringing' a car for SVA must happen??
<<Crouches behind the dog to avoid shouty folks>>
[Edited on 10/9/08 by owelly]
[Edited on 10/9/08 by owelly]
Think there's 1 big flaw in your idea/alledgement, engine number, can't register 2 "different" cars with the same engine
number, so if one was supposed to try this, he would also need to replace engine or grind out original number and replace wich is major illegal off
course
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oldtimer
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 07:04 AM |
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Terrible question, I assume it's supposed to be rhetorical?!....
My real concern is your statement "all my cars are legitimately registered but utter death-traps" , are you serious? are you sane?? MOTs
are still required or do you advocate ringing for MOTs too? I also previously built a pre- SVA car requiring only an MOT and it was perfectly safe.
Sorry, but this sort of opinion/question places you in a very dubious position in society.
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whitestu
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 07:40 AM |
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Why bother taking the risk of getting nicked?
Maybe the new SVA will be different, but from my experience passing an SVA is dead easy.
I reckon extra work for the SVA over what I would have done anyway would have taken no more than a couple of days.
The only major thing changed since the SVA is the engine, but that's not exactly difficult either.
I also feel a lot more comfortable driving it given that it has had a good going over by someone else.
Stu
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ashg
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 08:05 AM |
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I’m sure people do it but people do lots of stuff they shouldn’t do. Let’s get past that and look at why we get our cars sva'd instead of doing
the above.
I personally want my car to be sva'd as it means someone that really knows their stuff has looked over what I have built and deemed it safe.
Hypothetically even if we didn’t have an sva I would still get an engineer to look at it to make sure it was safe and I’m sure that would cost a lot
more per hour than the sva!
At the end of the day I don’t see the sva as an obstacle/hindrance to get round I
See it as a goal to reach. In the past I would have seen it as an obstacle.
People who see the sva as an obstacle should think about changing their perspective and making it a goal as it will take a lot of the stress out of
the build.
Anything With Tits or Wheels Will cost you MONEY!!
Haynes Roadster (Finished)
Exocet (Finished & Sold)
New Project (Started)
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 08:18 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ashg
People who see the sva as an obstacle should think about changing their perspective and making it a goal as it will take a lot of the stress out of
the build.
I agree with your comments. I'd go further than the above though and say that SVA is a very good thing. OK some of the rules are petty but these
SVA inspectors are on the whole very very good guys, and personally i see passing the SVA as a very critical safety check. Anyone who sees SVA as an
obsticle, or tries to avoid it, simply shouldnt be trying to build a car that is used on the public roads
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owelly
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 12:46 PM |
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As I've stated. All my Magentas are legally registered and therefore I have no need to try to avoid the SVA! But if the SVA is so important, why
change the car once it has passed. The SVA is there for a reason. Right?
So why fit extended indicators for the SVA and then change for stubby ones? Why fit a quiet exhaust and cat but remove it afterwards? Why change the
steering wheel for a pretty one when the big fat Ford one was OK for SVA? Why alter ANYTHING once the car has its SVA ticket. If you change the car,
then surely, it defeats the object of having an SVA?
If you start fiddling around with the steering rack, do you take it back to be re-SVAd so as to assure it still has the self centering and that you
can prove to yourselves (and anyone who wants to listen)?
And to asnwer my original question, and despite what some of you guys have said, it does happen. I've had several U2Us and emails describing
exactly what I have perused. For obvious reasons, not to be published on an open forum, but the majority seem to be folks from overseas who have used
UK cars to pass the UK test for documents to fit to thier Non-UK cars.
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owelly
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 12:49 PM |
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And as for my cars being death traps......
they are.
Built by idiots using old technology in the 70's/80's and then aged to make them even more rubbish. And I wouldn't let anyone else
drive them!!
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 11/9/08 at 03:58 PM |
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Yes it does happen, how many of you out there could hold their hands up and say if they wrote their car off and rebuilt it in a new chassis that they
would put it through an SVA.
same thing how do you know it's safe.
Slightly different but Trabsits are noted for emmissions, local MOT station if it passes on everthing else will plug it into nearest diesel
exhaust.
Tony
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DarrenW
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| posted on 12/9/08 at 08:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad4x4
organized)
Same happens with old landrovers. Landrover never made a Series 1 with a Defender body and coil springs yet there are quite a few that are and
that's for one reason only gain "historic vehicle status" and get free road tax......
[Edited on 11/909/08 by mad4x4]
Nothing illegal about that at all. I have a mate who is in the LandRover business and checked this out with DVLA. As long as the chassis is original
etc (and probs a few more bits of bobs that i cant remember the details about) then you are allowed to rebody the vehicle.
The tricky area might be ho wthe coil spring conversion was done as this obviously needs chassis mods.
HOWEVER - if you are meaning that the defender acquires the tax exempt ID then that is a different mattter entirely.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 12/9/08 at 08:44 AM |
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I understand Owelly's question. Not so much about a major SVA scam more about whats the difference between being involved in such a heinious
crime and being so called legit by passing the SVA fairly and squarely, only to modify the car soon after to an SVA un-passable state.
Regarding the unspeakable crime bit, im sure it will happen. Im also sure some people have old log books with vague descriptions that can be changed
little at a time to suggest they are for their new little sports car. Cant see the point myself. Id rather have piece of mind that ive done the job
right - after all it doesnt take that much effort or cost a fortune.
I guess the mods that anyone ever does doesnt exactly compromise the integrity and safety of the vehicle. More changed on aesthetic grounds. I know
its not strictly allowed but not so different to what the chav brigades do to their hot hatches.
Regarding magenta's etc being death traps. No different to the masses of old cars out on the roads. In their day they were perfectly acceptable,
however times change and technology advances. Its not so much that they are death traps in an un-roadworthy state, more that newer vehicles are so
much better.
Im sure Owellys cars are all MOT'd and perfectly legal. No way he would take the little one out in them if they werent.
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owelly
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| posted on 15/9/08 at 07:49 AM |
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The main problem with my V6 Magenta is the chassis flex when stamping on the brakes from 100+mph. It's enough pop the bonnet open!
When jnr goes for a spin, we never get out of second gear!
Is anyone watching the scrap Dutton I mentioned in the first post???
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 15/9/08 at 12:41 PM |
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I think this is very interesting, not because I want to do it, but because it raises certain questions about all those who seized the moral high
ground early on.
I'd be interested in how many of them have cars that 100% legal now in terms of vs. the SVA.
Also whilst the SVA is a good thing (and I dont think the OP was saying it wasn't) are we all going to rush back out when the new improved IVA
comes out, because we want the safest cars we can? No, of course we won't.
So it's not just about safety.
I'm pretty sure everything you listed is illegal though mate.
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owelly
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| posted on 18/9/08 at 10:23 PM |
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So, £485 is the going rate for half a smashed-up Dutton is it????
Smashed up Dutton
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