akumabito
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:44 PM |
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TEC - Tractor Engined Car
So uhhmm.. 'hypothetically speaking' (ofcourse *cough* *cough*), if someone wanted to make a diesel-powered Locost (or TEC - Tractor
Engined Car), what engine would he use?
The Volvo D5 engine looks like a contender (185Hp, 400NM stock), but I bet it'd be a pain to mate it to a RWD transmission.. It's a nice
engine though, all aluminium block..
Any other ally diesel engines? I think the BMW units (an obvious choice for RWD setup) are all cast iron, right?
[Edited on 13/10/08 by akumabito]
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Wadders
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:46 PM |
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How about the V10 from the VW toe rag
Originally posted by akumabito
So uhhmm.. 'hypothetically speaking' (ofcourse *cough* *cough*), if someone wanted to make a diesel-powered Locost (or TEC - Tractor
Engined Car), what engine would he use?
The Volvo D5 engine looks like a contender (185Hp, 400NM stock), but I bet it'd be a pain to mate it to a RWD transmission.. It's a nice
engine though, all aluminium block..
Any other ally diesel engines? I think the BMW units (an obvious choice for RWD setup) are all cast iron, right?
[Edited on 13/10/08 by akumabito]
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akumabito
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Wadders
How about the V10 from the VW toe rag
I'm sorry.. you were saying something? Whatever it was, it can't be more interesting than your avatar
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:52 PM |
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mounts straight up to an M90 gearbox .
unfortunately itll need the ecus etc to run it unless you know of a standalone that can run a common rail diesel .
besides , volvos have been tractor powered for like 40 years now !!
D5 blocks are sought after for their high HP application in a petrol applications , ie upwards of 1000hp .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:55 PM |
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My MEV rocket has a diesel in it. 2.0 tdci from ford c-max. cast iron block but alloy head and sump. 136hp and 340nm!! more than capable of been
remapped upto 190ish.
If i did something similar again i would definately use the 1.6HDi 110bhp - all alloy and can be tuned to 140hp+ with a larger intercooler and a
descent remap.
http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/dinosaurjuice/?action=view¤t=CIMG1549.flv
[Edited on 13/10/08 by dinosaurjuice]
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 07:56 PM |
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What about a Car Engined Tractor instead...
Link
I'm off to do a deal on Father-in-Laws ride on mower!!
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nick205
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 08:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Wadders
How about the V10 from the VW toe rag
Originally posted by akumabito
So uhhmm.. 'hypothetically speaking' (ofcourse *cough* *cough*), if someone wanted to make a diesel-powered Locost (or TEC - Tractor
Engined Car), what engine would he use?
The Volvo D5 engine looks like a contender (185Hp, 400NM stock), but I bet it'd be a pain to mate it to a RWD transmission.. It's a nice
engine though, all aluminium block..
Any other ally diesel engines? I think the BMW units (an obvious choice for RWD setup) are all cast iron, right?
[Edited on 13/10/08 by akumabito]
Is the lass in your avatar from Yorkshire then...? 
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Simon
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 08:29 PM |
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I recently mentioned about the Jag V6 twin turbo diesel.
207bhp with 265 possible. Engine is quite light and shared with Ford and Peugeut I believe
Connect it to a decent auto and it'll be a laugh in a lightweight car
ATB
Simon
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 09:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
I recently mentioned about the Jag V6 twin turbo diesel.
207bhp with 265 possible. Engine is quite light and shared with Ford and Peugeut I believe
Connect it to a decent auto and it'll be a laugh in a lightweight car
ATB
Simon
Looks like I'll have to keep an eye on my 123D. All alloy 4 pot twin turbo. 204bhp standard and rwd!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 09:29 PM |
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You have u2u re diesel westfield with a VW TDi unit
Did anyone read Practical Performance Car during 2007?? They had a guy building a VW TDi Westie in there. He bought a 3.14 diff off me for it.
[Edited on 13/10/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 10:03 PM |
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This subject is something I have been looking into,the best option I came up with was the bmw 320d engine,173bhp standard,chip to around 195bhp,with
330ftlbs of torque,alloy block so not too heavy,and of course rwd,with a six speed box
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Simon
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| posted on 13/10/08 at 10:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hicost
All the figures sound great but the power and gearing is all in the wrong ......
That's the reason I suggested an auto box (in a nice light car, it'd still be fun), but if you can find a sequential manual box,
you'd be better off still. I toyed witha diesel engined bike or trike with an aftermarket Harley box (look on ebay, usa for ultima
gearboxes).
Diesel's have a very short rev range, so need quick, on boost gear changes, with a very low final drive ratio to make the most of short
range.
ATB
Simon
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 02:13 AM |
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Jack McCormack of Kinetic Vehicles in the States has built a 7 with a Kubota diesel. Over 70 US mpg. Apparently respectable performance and
reasonably quiet...
Any CVT transmissions that can handle the torque of a diesel (Nissan Murano, perhaps)? The CVT in the wife's Honda Jazz does a great job of
keeping the engine in the peak torque band (3-4000rpm) for reasonable acceleration with great fuel economy (and avoids the uncouth racket of the
rather unrefined 1.3DSi at higher rpm).
[Edited on 14-10-08 by locost_bryan]
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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mad4x4
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 06:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locost_bryan
Jack McCormack of Kinetic Vehicles in the States has built a 7 with a Kubota diesel. Over 70 US mpg.
[Edited on 14-10-08 by locost_bryan]
Don't think he meant Tractor as in Agricultural Vehcile ........
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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Agriv8
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 06:31 AM |
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Have no idea of weight but the 2.5 v6 VAG should be on the list to look at ?
Suspect there may be a few knocking about soon at the road tax re-banding hits them
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 07:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locost_bryan
Jack McCormack of Kinetic Vehicles in the States has built a 7 with a Kubota diesel. Over 70 US mpg. Apparently respectable performance and
reasonably quiet...
Can help but think it's missing the point of a 7 unless he the kind of nutter that uses it to commute vast distances everyday.
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smart51
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 08:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by akumabitoThe Volvo D5 engine looks like a contender (185Hp, 400NM stock
400 Nm in a Seven is just a recipe for wheel spin and death. A RWD gearbox, I would suggest, would be the least of your worries. A 1:1 diff ratio to
make that torque useable would be more important, unless you plan to use tractor wheels as well as the engine.
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Simon
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| posted on 14/10/08 at 07:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
Have no idea of weight but the 2.5 v6 VAG should be on the list to look at ?
Suspect there may be a few knocking about soon at the road tax re-banding hits them
regards
Agriv8
This was one of my first thoughts when I started researching diesel engines for a boat. I asked a friend who does VW/Audi for a living and he pointed
out a timetable for failures, so that put me off that one
ATB
Simon
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Agriv8
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| posted on 16/10/08 at 07:53 AM |
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Thats a shame I would really like one as my passot TDI 1.9 110 is nearing replacement. But if they are not as relible as the 1.9 units its another
reason not to go there 
My 1.9 is at 214k of me abusing it daily
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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akumabito
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| posted on 18/10/08 at 11:11 AM |
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Thanks for the replies everyone..
I think if I ever get around of starting a build, I'd have mine be a 'semi daily driver'. As in; I'll use it to commute to
work every day, weather permitting. I'd be one of the nutters trying to squeeze in a heater somewhere, and trying to figure out whattype of
weather gear looks least horrific..
I'd also be using it for some long distance touring and things like that. I'm not really interested in building a track-day car so weight
isn't my first priority. I'd be plenty happy if it ends up weighing 700 to 750kgs.
As for the torque figure.. I hope I can keep my right foot under control so I don't end up backwards in someone's hedge
Tallest Sierra diff is 3.14 I believe? I think mid-80s BMW 325's had a 2.79 or 2.93 diff ratio. That should help.
I'd also be looking at fitting larger diameter wheels and tires. 16 inch, maybe even 17 inch. I'll have to do some spreadsheets to
figureout proper gearing anyway.
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 23/10/08 at 03:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by locost_bryan
Jack McCormack of Kinetic Vehicles in the States has built a 7 with a Kubota diesel. Over 70 US mpg. Apparently respectable performance and
reasonably quiet...
Can help but think it's missing the point of a 7 unless he the kind of nutter that uses it to commute vast distances everyday.
Taking part in the $10m 100+mpg challenge. Kinetic supply Locost parts in the US.
New York Times story here.
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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chetcpo
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| posted on 17/12/08 at 05:28 PM |
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This guy used a VW turbodiesel.
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=45567
"Book" based scratch built Miata/Eunos 1.8 powered Locost
http://www.locostusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=952
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 20/12/08 at 01:18 AM |
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How about the Fiat 1.3JTD which is used in the Suzuki Jimny?
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RK
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| posted on 20/12/08 at 02:08 AM |
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I think diesel is a good option for North America since nothing is ever right next door. And yes, Jack drove his hundreds of miles with no problems
over the past summer. He has a blog of it posted somewhere.
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it_cud
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| posted on 25/2/09 at 07:00 PM |
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diesel westfield
Hi, Four weeks after driving my 8v VX motor Westfield into the garage, It emerged in a cloud of smoke,powered by an Isuzu 1.7 td. I've only
driven it on a couple of short test runs,honest officer,and am more than pleased. Running a A4 intercooler and std. boost/fuelling . reaches 10/12 psi
without bother and holds it all day. What a hoot. Can only reccomend it !
Mike.
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