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mazie - 6/1/12 at 12:12 PM

Hi all, where do stand on emissions tests with the fury. Its currently running a 1997 2.0 zetec from a mondeo and the chassis is from 2000, 1st registered in 2005.
Is this supposed to have a Catalytic converter? I'm running bike carbs and megajolt lite.

I think I may have a problem getting an MOT now I'm in coventry, I previously used a very kitcar/ custom car friendly garage and he didnt believe it needed a cat and tested it anyway and passed.

Any ideas chaps?

Many thanks.
Russ

mcerd1 - 6/1/12 at 12:23 PM

what age of engine did it have when its chassis was first regestered ?

loggyboy - 6/1/12 at 12:32 PM

More importantly, is it Q plate?

mackei23b - 6/1/12 at 12:34 PM

Here is the link to the testers manual: http://www.dvlni.gov.uk/Freedom%20of%20Information/Light%20Vehicle%20Inspection%20Manual/Exhaust%20emissions.pdf

Also have a look ta the V5, if there is emmisions details then that is what it should be tested against.

That said, some garages will see the Q Plate and not do an emisions test regardless of the ablve.

Hope this is of some help?

Cheers

Ian

[Edited on 6/1/12 by mackei23b]

mazie - 6/1/12 at 12:39 PM

It's on an age related 'B' plate from the donor. It has the zetec in when it was sva'd but it was running on standard ford injection with the cat .

Checked the v5 and no emissions are stated.
I've called 2 garages near me and neither on them want to test it ! I'm surprised they have enough business to be picky!

loggyboy - 6/1/12 at 12:48 PM

This guidance flow chart dicatates:

HowardB - 6/1/12 at 12:49 PM

there's a place that Claire recommended,.. I took mine there with no hassle, it's in Ashby de la Zouch,.. about 35 miles from you. I can u2u the details if you wish

mazie - 6/1/12 at 01:29 PM

Brilliant thankyou all. The flow chart helped mackie. The Default emission mentions the lambda reading although I don't have one?

loggyboy - 6/1/12 at 01:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mazie
Brilliant thankyou all. The flow chart helped mackie. The Default emission mentions the lambda reading although I don't have one?


Lambda is just probe that measures oxygen level, allthough you dont have one (you carbs dont need to know what the o2 level is), their system will still take a reading of the levels of o2 coming out the exhaust.

Dusty - 6/1/12 at 02:08 PM

You haven't addressed the critical question which is 'What date of manufacture engine was in the car when it was SVA'd' Regardless of what engine it has in now, that is what sets the lifetime emissions standard for your car.
If zetec silvertop pre 31 July 95 then you should have been set limits of CO <=3.5 and HC <+1200ppm. No cat or lambda under the CAT1 table. If it's after 1 Aug 95 then cat and lambda may come in.

The flow chart posted by loggyboy is correct but the tester does not stop there. You do the cat test for default limits, it fails, you follow the flow chart on from the failure and move on to the next table and eventually end up in the CAT1 table with the limits I have posted if you had a 92-95 engine at SVA. Those then follow the car for its lifetime and that includes each MOT.

[Edited on 6/1/12 by Dusty]

mazie - 6/1/12 at 04:56 PM

The engine is a 1997 silvertop.

ashg - 6/1/12 at 05:43 PM

If its a b plate and there is nothing on the v5 or their computer they will probably test it as a b plate. Wouldn't even bother telling the garage its a kit just ring up and book it by name and reg. It's a car its road legal like all the other cars on the road why should they refuse to test it?

mazie - 6/1/12 at 06:09 PM

It's on the system as first registered jan 2005

dray13dad - 6/1/12 at 06:42 PM

Okay so your on a b plate (1985) but car reg 2005. they must a bets test first which will fail due to no cat or lamda sensor.
you now need to show that engine is older than that either with documents that you can get or show ie old log book from doner,certificate from ford, or even by telling them as the presenter of the vehicle (word is okay) honest.
just cos car was reg in 2005 its the year of manufactor that counts..
by the way no mot station can decline to test a car for this reason.not even if they have banned you from the garage. the only way is to issue a vt30 listing a reason stateded in the manual .

Dusty - 6/1/12 at 08:05 PM

97 engine should have been recorded with these requirements.
Fast Idle: (2500 to 3000rpm) CO <= 0.3% HC <= 200ppm Lambda between 0.97 and 1.03
Idle: (450 to 1500rpm) CO <=0.5%
That's what SVA should have tested it at as it goes through the CAT1 page and ends up at back at the same default levels as the BET.
If that is in the V5C or on the DVLA computer that's legit. But it could be almost anything due to the odd bods at DVLA/VOSA.

wilkingj - 6/1/12 at 09:18 PM

I would report the refusing garages to VOSA.
Its not your fault they dont know how to do their job.


mazie - 6/1/12 at 10:46 PM

Their reaction was ' we don't do kit cars as they are specialist vehicles! What a load of b****x . It was sva'd on standard ford injection with cat , after which the bike carbs were fitted. Just gone over the v5c and it states on the front under 'special notes' %CO 0.5, 0.3 FI HC 0.02FI: LAMBDA 0.97-1.03.

wylliezx9r - 7/1/12 at 08:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mazie
Their reaction was ' we don't do kit cars as they are specialist vehicles! What a load of b****x . It was sva'd on standard ford injection with cat , after which the bike carbs were fitted. Just gone over the v5c and it states on the front under 'special notes' %CO 0.5, 0.3 FI HC 0.02FI: LAMBDA 0.97-1.03.


Looks like you could be in doo doo then, with your current setup you've got no chance of meeting those emmisions.

adithorp - 7/1/12 at 09:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by wylliezx9r
quote:
Originally posted by mazie
Their reaction was ' we don't do kit cars as they are specialist vehicles! What a load of b****x . It was sva'd on standard ford injection with cat , after which the bike carbs were fitted. Just gone over the v5c and it states on the front under 'special notes' %CO 0.5, 0.3 FI HC 0.02FI: LAMBDA 0.97-1.03.


Looks like you could be in doo doo then, with your current setup you've got no chance of meeting those emmisions.


Thats right and you'd need a cat and a lot of messing to pass, but in reality the "system" isn't foolproof. There's no requirement to show a v5 when presenting a car for MOT and when they log the reg' onto the system to start the test, it might not come up with the emmision requirements (mine didn't despite it being on the v5). A lot of testers will just test it as being a B reg car (ie 1984-5) due to not being familiar with the intricacy of age related plates. It's not correct, but you might get lucky.

mazie - 7/1/12 at 09:18 AM

Looks like its back to Dartford for the Mot then, the guys there passed it with the probe stuck up another car, exactly how far is the mot station allowed to be? Its insured but not taxed, they say as long as its a pre-booked inspection I'm within the law, but 120 mile drive ? Umm

clairetoo - 7/1/12 at 09:46 AM

Rather than drive 120 miles for your MOT you might want to try my local kit-car friendly tester - my Fury is on an age related plate , 1978 `T' , and never gets an emission test - even brakes testing is done with a device sat on the passenger seat !

mazie - 7/1/12 at 10:28 AM

HowardB mentioned a place recommend by yourself, Much rather that then all the way to dartford
. what's the name and address Claire?

mazie - 7/1/12 at 10:30 AM

HowardB mentioned a place recommend by yourself, Much rather that then all the way to dartford
. what's the name and address Claire?

britishtrident - 7/1/12 at 11:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
Rather than drive 120 miles for your MOT you might want to try my local kit-car friendly tester - my Fury is on an age related plate , 1978 `T' , and never gets an emission test - even brakes testing is done with a device sat on the passenger seat !



Old fashioned as it is brake test using Tapley meter is actually a better test of the brakes than a roller test.

Ninehigh - 8/1/12 at 09:42 PM

Just as a thought if the emissions are set when the vehicle is registered what happens if (for example) I build my kit around a 1.1 Escort engine then later upgrade to a V8? Unless they can change that with the engine

clairetoo - 8/1/12 at 10:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mazie
HowardB mentioned a place recommend by yourself, Much rather that then all the way to dartford
. what's the name and address Claire?

Sorry `bout the delay...........I've been stuck in the garage all weekend working on my Mx5 project
The garage is - Malyon Jones , Nottingham road Ashby-de-la-Zouch - phone number 01530 411477

mazie - 12/1/12 at 08:16 PM

Great stuff cheers Claire , Just hope the guy will 'understand' the predicament!