i am looking at getting some of the out of date racing six point harnesses, as i wanna get nice and snug. does anyone know if they are still road legal, even though they are not race legal?? they would need to get through sva. does anyone know the laws or have past experience??
also, how do you attach the bottom two points to the car?

Out of date FIA labels on harnesses do not render them un roadworthy, so nothing to stop you continuing to use them past that date.

For the bottom two just use eyebolts or normal bolts depending on your belts together with spreader plates.

let me know how you get on,ive got 6 points,only prob i can see is the buckle if its aero type and E marks not being there

Again, no reason an aero style buckle should present any problems, the only SVA requirement is that it can be operated with one hand.

Only a very small number of belts (some LUKE ones) require the buckle to be pressed and then rotated

Conrod, if those are the belts we got at Stoneleigh, they should be fine, as they can be opened with one hand. Incidenatlly, I have a pair of 6 point harnesses for sale, as I'm not building anymore. Just one happens to be blue and one red. Both are 3" belts too. They should be £350 new. One runs out at the end of this year, one in about 10 months, I think.

those the ones Si,hope your right

Well, if yours and mine are the same you should be ok. As said, they only have to be operatable with 1 hand to pass. Mine just need the buckle turning.

Use the same mounting point as the belt straps for the crotch straps. Not sure if this will be possible if your seats have a high side. You may have to make a hole for the crotch straps to come through.

[Edited on 10/10/2006 by greggors84]

My 5 point harness has "Not for road use" on the back of the buckle

this is good news then, i am making my own seats so can simply design them to be able to fit the harnesses. as for above, i hope the ones i get (or any that anyone sells) dont have that mark on them, i certainly would be very sceptical of using them!

Are you mainly going to be tracking the car?

As for day to day driving 6 point harnesses are a pain to put on. Its fair enough if you have someone to strap you in.

Ok for trackdays though as the extra effort is maybe worth it for the hassle.

im not gonna be tracking the car a lot, itll mainly be for road driving, but i wont really be going in a hurry until i switch the engine on(), so the inconvenience is something i think i can deal with.

SVA states

"the locking mechanism, ie the buckle, when both under load and under no load, can be released by a single movement in one direction by either hand"

All aircrew harnesses I have seen require a button to be depressed before the buckle is rotated - which is two movements.........

With respect Dave, you havent seen all aircraft buckles then.

Sabelt, Sparco, OMP and a load of others dont require anything to be dpressed, only rotated.

I have however seen Luke [and other] harnesses which have a push button in the middle of the rotating part.

Like I say, it depends on the manufacturer.

rgds

Rich

Never said I had... just wanted to point out that some aircraft buckles (all military rotary wing i beleive) require a double action which would fail SVA..

My fault then, you said all buckles I have seen - I was only pointing out those which require two actions are in the minority.

Furthermore, I cant see how military aircraft harnesses have any relevance when were talking about commerically available automotive belts, but even bearing that in mind, the seat belt I strap into every day requires no button to be pressed and that belongs to a military fixed wing aircraft.

Not having a go, just answering the question.

Rgds

Rich

hi guys,

seems to be a lot of differing opinions on this,

Im hoping to fit 4 point racing harnessses
and going to try to get through sva with them

the manual talks about the height of trhe top mountings which might cause a problem for my avon

Les

I put my car through the SVA with Safety Devices six point harnesses, but only fitted the lap and shoulder straps. I then fitted the crotch straps after the car had passed. I drive with the six points all the time. Road and track, no bother to get them on, once you have them adjusted. Adjusting them for different passengers can be a chore though.

ah, hopefully mine should be ok then,

was going to go for 4 points with 3" straps.

les