So a chap who owns a dashcam company decides to sit in the middle lane of a motorway traveling slower than the lorries and then wonders why the lorry
drivers are getting annoyed...
True that ramming him isn't ok but I really hope the car driver gets done for being a middle lane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34933345
I don't condone the lorry's behaviour but that guy is a tool. Head and neck injuries? Seriously there was a tiny dent on the side of the car! He's as bad as the ambulance chasing scumbag claims lawyers
Ok then, lets just play devils advocate here.
IF he (the car driver) was doing more than 60mph, then he was doing nothing wrong, the maximum speed for an HGV on the motorway is I believe, 60mph.
From a quick look at the footage it is not entirely clear that the inside lane was clear. (but I might be wrong)
IF the motorway was (it looked like it was) only 3 lanes, then the lorry driver should NOT have used the third lane.
The HGV driver should not have pulled back into the middle lane until he was clear of the vehicle.
The HGV driver SHOULD have stopped at the scene of the incident.
Intimidatory (flashing headlights as you arrive behind a slower vehicle) driving is NOT the professional way of driving that a professional HGV driver
should drive.
The driver is complaining about the lack of police response. By three different forces.
Just my humble opinion. Yes HGV can/do have 40(odd) Tonnes behind them, HGV (and all drivers) should be driving to a higher standard than what is
currently being (enforced) driven. The driving licence should be treated like a privilege not a god given right. (And this also applies to car and
other vehicles.)JMHO.
(Edit bit)
And yes head and neck injuries would have been questionable after driving that much further, but, not impossible allowing for adrenalin. However, I
would still rather get "checked out" after that sort of run in. Not ambulance chasing at all.
[Edited on 2/12/15 by jollygreengiant]
What a whinging cock..
Middle lane hog who by the looks of it had an issue getting out of the middle lane when faster moving vehicle was trying to get past.
Ticket the truck for crashing. Ticket the car for inconsiderate driving.
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Originally posted by tegwin
So a chap who owns a dashcam company decides to sit in the middle lane of a motorway traveling slower than the lorries and then wonders why the lorry drivers are getting annoyed...
True that ramming him isn't ok but I really hope the car driver gets done for being a middle lane http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34933345
Totally agree the lorry driver has committed an offense and needs punishing for driving in a way that isn't professional... However the way the car appears to be behaving is equally worthy of investigation and punishment imho.
I think that the lorry driver did not conduct himself in a professional manner as he is a professional driver. However the car driver acted like a greater idiot because he had a dash cam, firstly if he sees a lorry coming up to him flashing his lights and blaring his horn I would have thought the logical thing to do would be to move out of the way, and as it does seem like that there is nothing in the inside lane. How was he to know that the lorry had not lost its brakes or had some other problems on board? Incidents like this could very easily have ended up in a fatality, so always treat the other driver as an idiot I was taught this when I started to drive works well most of the time.
No winners from either side, both drivers were idiots.
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for
"Dash Cam" company he owns?
its backfired on his business ethics though
Ex special constable + dashboard camera company boss = looking for a incident to advertise his company in my cynical opinion
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Originally posted by tegwin
Totally agree the lorry driver has committed an offense and needs punishing for driving in a way that isn't professional... However the way the car appears to be behaving is equally worthy of investigation and punishment imho.
quote:what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick' !
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for "Dash Cam" company he owns?
Orf wiv thier 'eads, the pair of them
From the footage alone that looks like shocking driving by the car but inexcusable stupidity by the lorry.
Prosecute them both.
Just read this on the BBC and when I heard a car was rammed 3 times by a lorry I was expecting more than a scuff on the car! I think someone needs to
calm down for ever reacting but if he is an ex copper then I'm not surprised. Milk it for the compo pal.
Lorry driver should have just tailgated him or done a real job at ramming the car 3 times. Im surprised the lorry driver doesn't have his own
footage, that may show a different side to the story. It seems everyone takes a film as truth, when its produced by one of the sides of the argument
it is biased and shouldn't remove the other sides opinion (its just has more info).
Both should be reprimanded.
I run a front and rear cam in my daily car, a gopro in my other lightly used daily car and kit car. It seems many people don't care about driving
now and its worked out in my favour in more than one argument. Especially when you have them hidden and let the other party stick their foot right in
it and then at the end of the argument point the camera out
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Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick' !
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for "Dash Cam" company he owns?
I guess that could be classed as dangerous driving.
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Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick' !
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for "Dash Cam" company he owns?
I guess that could be classed as dangerous driving.
As a director of a haulage company I think the HGV driver has reacted inappropriately to something not seen there. He's let his emossions get
the better of him. The car driver has caused the incident either for his own gains or the publicity.
Hgv should not have moved into the third lane and defiantly not used his vehicle to try and force the car over. The car driver had a good few options
there, he could have moved to lane one and slowed down if he was that terrified, he could have stopped on the hard shoulder for the same reason. Or
my preferred option, he could have pushed the right peddle just a bit and accelerated away from all the 'danger' around him. I wonder if
he's the same kind of dickhead that travels along at 45 then when a truck starts to move past speeds up and matches the truck....
I think there was more happened before the start of the footage. There was two hgvs quequed up in lane 1and 2 and he was obviously causing an
obstruction driving slower than 55 in the middle lane.
Hgvs have a speed limiter that is set by the company and can vary anywhere from 50 (coop wagons) to the legal maximum of 56. That's 90kph set
down by the European union.
HGV licences are not handed out lightly and are vocational. They can be revoked at any time by the police, vosa inspectors or the traffic
commissionor.
As said both are idiots. Driving down the middle lane at <60 with hazard warning lights on. WTF? What precisely was that in aid of and WTF was he
expecting the truck driver to do? Can't go in the outside lane. How did he get in front of a truck he was clearly going slower than? I'd be
interested in seeing the video of 5 minutes just prior to the incident.
And as for neck pain.............. What a dickwad. I've caused my damage to my car with a bit of gravel on a shammy leather. No way that would
cause neck pain.
Fine the truck driver for dangerous driving and criminal damage, do the car driver for driving like a complete twonk and taking the piss.
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Originally posted by CosKev3
Ex special constable + dashboard camera company boss = looking for a incident to advertise his company in my cynical opinion
I don't think either drivers actions were clever and both are to blame, what I did notice in the video is the main clip ends at 21:37 then the very last short clip starts at 21:51 and the car has got somewhat in front of the wagon again or at least up the inside of him so it looks like he was baiting the lorry which if he was as scared as he proclaims to the police then he should have stayed behind so as not to have any more confrontation.
I think the EX special constable says a lot, perhaps to be replaced with the words 'paper hat'
I'm absolutely sure that's only half the story... I can imagine some idiot hogging the middle lane, then speeding up when the lorry wanted
to pull back in, just to mess the lorry driver about and "prove a point". IMHO, it's 50/50 blame - both need a good talking-to.
I do agree with the previous comment though - if you feel threatened, just slow down and let the dangerous situation go away. If slowing down
doesn't work, floor it and go around - after all, just about any car can out-manoeuvre a fully-laden HGV if you try hard enough!
This guy looks like him and is an ex Special Constable....
http://www.mattstockdale.com/
It's because of morons like this driver that the rest of us are actually thinking about getting a dash cam but sure as hell not from his outfit.
Hope they charge him for exactly the same as the lorry driver as it certainly appears just from the available clip that he's brought this
behaviour on himself.
Hazards in middle lane going very slow for no reason? Somehow overtakes moments later again. Clearly just trying to get some publicity and potentially
damaged someone's livelihood in the process.
Didn't look like the HGV driver was genuinely trying to hit him but to just make a point. Looks like they were driven to it though and whilst no
real defence it should be taken into account.
his own website has a longer version of the video, and it seems even more self incriminating
driving unpredictably in the middle lane, waits for hgv to pass, (since he puts hazard lights on it does indicate to the hgv that the car has a
problem. )
but then apparently speeding up and staying in the middle lane, forcing the hgv to stay in the third lane. whilst hiding in the blind spot...
its not his only video of him forcing a situation either:
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/video-road-safety-campaigner-films-near-miss-on-northamptonshire-roundabout-1-6264093
I hope one of the local forces picks it up, for the motoring offences, and investigate fraud
[Edited on 2/12/15 by gremlin1234]
He runs a website www.policewitness.com and uses the same footage as a promo video!
Nowhere does he say that the person in the video is himself. Clearly he set out to create a confrontation with an HGV in order to get video for his
website. I hope the police know this. How many other drivers did he provoke until he got one to lose his cool?
"Mr Stockdale, who runs a dashcam company, followed the lorry to a depot in Dunstable where an ambulance took him to hospital with neck and
shoulder pain."
Looks like he is trying to drum up free advertising!
He and a bit of the video was on the local BBC TV Look East this eve said something like the lorry frightened him so he couldn't move into the inside lane, but then 1/4 hr later chases the truck and tries to get him to stop. Then follows truck to the depot and films the driver, apparently the contract truck driver no longer works for the company.
OK, car driver is a muppet but the HGV driver is well out of order, you can't use a artic as a weapon and expect to keep driving.
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Originally posted by owelly
Ticket the truck for crashing. Ticket the car for inconsiderate driving.
What a knob. He needs to reassess what 'one metre' looks like, stop driving in the wrong lane, and, if his tyres really were 'squealing', get his ABS fixed!
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Originally posted by gremlin1234
his own website has a longer version of the video, and it seems even more self incriminating
driving unpredictably in the middle lane, waits for hgv to pass, (since he puts hazard lights on it does indicate to the hgv that the car has a problem. )
but then apparently speeding up and staying in the middle lane, forcing the hgv to stay in the third lane. whilst hiding in the blind spot...
its not his only video of him forcing a situation either:
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/video-road-safety-campaigner-films-near-miss-on-northamptonshire-roundabout-1-6264093
I hope one of the local forces picks it up, for the motoring offences, and investigate fraud
[Edited on 2/12/15 by gremlin1234]
Not watched the video, but IMHO there are a lot of bad drivers around who could do without driving for a year to inject some sense!
As an example, our local Tesco Express creates a hazard with traffic due to pi55 poor parking and generally not so bright people.
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Originally posted by ReMan
The blokes a tool and is clearly using "peril" tactics and words to sell his product
He needs a good Ģ850000 fine as a dose of shut the f up
Frightened my Arsenal he should not be on the road that road layout is the norm on the uk
If there is any remaining doubt as to how much of a cretin Mr Stockdale is, have a look at another of his dashcam videos. The guy is an absolute weapon.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
If there is any remaining doubt as to how much of a cretin Mr Stockdale is, have a look at another of his dashcam videos. The guy is an absolute weapon.
Driving without due care and attention for the numpty Stockdale in the car and dangerous driving for the LGV driver.
I would like to see him ride a motorcycle like he drives his car he would last about 5 minutes!
Canīt you guys in the UK Submit these videos to the police or whichever appropriate transit governing body for review?
Then maybe, just maybe he gets what he deserves.
Maybe a warning is enough (maybe not).
If he doesnīt get the point, at some point he will eventually become a victim of road rage...
Unless he is armed and willing to use his gun to prove his manners...
Not that I condone Road rage or gun use...
No gun carrying allowed in the UK (thankfully).
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
If there is any remaining doubt as to how much of a cretin Mr Stockdale is, have a look at another of his dashcam videos. The guy is an absolute weapon.
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
No gun carrying allowed in the UK (thankfully).
quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
No gun carrying allowed in the UK (thankfully).