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Hellfire - 29/5/04 at 03:00 PM

The hand's of a clock are aligned with each other at 12 o'clock. At what time precisely are they next aligned?


PAUL FISHER - 29/5/04 at 03:14 PM

I think it must be 1 o:clock


thebutler - 29/5/04 at 03:21 PM

To be pedantic, they are always aligned. How they are aligned just varies


Cita - 29/5/04 at 03:28 PM

5 past one


macspeedy - 29/5/04 at 03:45 PM

12 o'clock


Peteff - 29/5/04 at 04:20 PM

That's my version anyway.


JoelP - 29/5/04 at 04:49 PM

im with pete... unless its a trick question.


Hugh Paterson - 29/5/04 at 05:40 PM

13:05 n 5 secs


JoelP - 29/5/04 at 06:19 PM

it also depends on whether the clock is actually working or not! if it aint going, the hands are always aligned!


JoelP - 29/5/04 at 06:33 PM

at 1pm, the hour hand is at 30 degrees and the minute hand is at 0 degrees. At five past, the minute is now at 30 degrees but the hour hand is now at 32.5 degrees. 15 seconds later, the minute hand is at 32.5 degrees but the hour hand has has crept on to 32.625 degrees. im guessing its about 18 seconds past 1.05pm.

obviously theres an equation to solve to give the precise answer, but its a tricky one. Anyone know it?! i dont yet...


JoelP - 29/5/04 at 06:40 PM

y=mx+c

so y=60x+0

and y=x+30

so 60x=x+30

and x=30/59

which is 0.508 minutes past one.

seems to go wrong after there though. Whats up with it?

thats 4.8 seconds past 5 past 1.

[Edited on 29/5/04 by JoelP]


Hugh Paterson - 29/5/04 at 08:47 PM

Ah but whats the terminal velocity of a long haired common or garden tom cat, that accidently gets lobbed out of a window on the 15th floor of a tower block, and uses up all its 9 lives when it hits the pavement paws first of course
Shug


Hellfire - 29/5/04 at 08:59 PM

Joep - you are oon the right track. However, there is a small error in your calculations you haven't allowed for the hour and minute fingers moving on 'a bit'.

I do have the exact answer, and it isn't a trick question.


ady8077 - 29/5/04 at 09:20 PM

Hi

Is it 1:06:06?

Adrian


Alan B - 29/5/04 at 09:49 PM

1 hour 5 minutes 27.272727 secs

If that's right I'll explain later......

If it's wrong someone else told me...

I mean next alignment is 5mins 27.272727 secs past 1 or 1.05.27.2727272

[Edited on 29/5/04 by Alan B]


ady8077 - 29/5/04 at 10:24 PM

Hi

has the clock in question got a seconds hand?

Adrian


Cita - 30/5/04 at 06:27 AM

Alan,how can the hands align with a never ending outcome as 27.27272727 sec.?


JoelP - 30/5/04 at 07:51 AM

1hr05mins5.084746secs past midday?

.5084746 is like a magic number, if you subtract .5 and times it by 60 the answer is nearly the same as the number you began with.


Alan B - 30/5/04 at 12:25 PM

The answer really is quite easy.....(if I'm right...)

In a 12 hour period the minute hand passes/aligns with the hour hand 11 times......the hands are geared together so this interval is the same every time

So the next alignment is 12.00 plus 12/11 hours...12/11 hours is 1 hour 5 mins 27.27r secs.

Am I right Hellfire?


JoelP - 30/5/04 at 04:31 PM

im with alan then...


Metal Hippy - 30/5/04 at 04:39 PM

I don't care, but then again when do I ever...


Cita - 30/5/04 at 07:32 PM

1 hour is exactly 3600 seconds,not one thousend of a second more or less
5 minutes is exactly 300 seconds.
is 2.27 seconds exact? No because the hands will not align at 2.27 seconds but two thousands of a second later.Even this is not correct because it's actually 7 thenthousands of a second later than 2.272 seconds and so and so on.


JoelP - 30/5/04 at 07:42 PM

2.72727272727272727 is still a specific time, even if the numbers go on forever. By 2.73 seconds, you have missed it. hence it is entirely plausible.

I actually agree with alan due to the simplicity of the workings, my attempts disagree but the complexity allows more errors to creep in, and i cant find anything wrong with his reasoning or working, so it stands until disproven.


Cita - 30/5/04 at 08:11 PM

How can a never ending number be specific?


Cita - 30/5/04 at 08:14 PM

By 2,272 you are to early by 2.273 you're to late.
Anything in between will do you mean?


I love speed :-P - 30/5/04 at 08:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita
How can a never ending number be specific?




u use fractions, ie .333333333333333333 is an approxiamte, where as 1/3 is exact


Cita - 30/5/04 at 08:27 PM

Can somebody translate 2.2727..... into a fraction for me please?


I love speed :-P - 30/5/04 at 08:28 PM

i normally would, but my calcualtor is broken

[Edited on 30/5/2004 by I love speed :-P]


Cita - 30/5/04 at 08:29 PM

Sorry,2.2727... is a fraction,i meant can somebody turn this figure into something like 1/3-2/5 or something?


I love speed :-P - 30/5/04 at 08:30 PM

well .2727272727272 is 3/11


Cita - 30/5/04 at 08:33 PM

Thanks!!!!!!


Mark Allanson - 30/5/04 at 08:41 PM

Anyone got a spanner with 3/11 on it?


Hellfire - 30/5/04 at 10:15 PM

Well done Alan B!!!

The answer is five minutes and 27.27r seconds past one

In a 12 hour period the hour hand aligns with the minute hand 11 times. So the interval is 12 hours divided by 11.

Fancy another?

[Edited on 30-5-04 by Hellfire]


Mark Allanson - 30/5/04 at 10:35 PM

If I had a brain that could be teased, it would be an advantage


Cita - 31/5/04 at 05:59 AM

Same goes for me Mark,only...i mean it!!!!

Congrat. Alan!!!!!!!!


Spyderman - 31/5/04 at 02:04 PM

The only teasing that I like is trying to tease my brain out of it's hybernation state!


Alez - 31/5/04 at 02:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cita
Sorry,2.2727... is a fraction,i meant can somebody turn this figure into something like 1/3-2/5 or something?


Using the general procedure:

x = 2.2727..
100x = 227.2727..
99x = 100x - x = 225
x = 225 / 99
x = (3x3x5x5) / (3x3x11)
x = 25 / 11

Also:

x = (22+3) / 11 = 2 + 3/11 as pointed out by "I love speed"


Cita - 31/5/04 at 05:28 PM

Thanks Alez!!