David Jenkins
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 01:18 PM |
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Let's be careful out there!
After hearing about 'hotshotbeans' misfortune the other day, I thought I'd mention my experiences last weekend.
I went out for a play around the local roads, which appeared to be clean and dry. After going some way I gave it some wellie to overtake someone on a
slip road - and immediately lost traction at 40 - 50 mph in third! Revs shot up, and the back end moved around (as did mine...  ). Played around
some more and decided that the roads were in a seriously slippery state, even though they looked OK.
Now my car is not a super-lightweight, and doesn't have a huge amount of power - a lively BEC would have been in huge trouble!
So, the moral of this tale is "be careful folks!" as the roads are really dodgy, and will probably remain so until we get some heavy
rain.
We don't want to get into the same state as we did a while ago, when it seemed like at least one forum member was throwing his car off the road
every week!
Have (careful) fun!
David
[Edited on 8/2/06 by David Jenkins]
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 01:27 PM |
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i agree entirely.
Went out on saturday and the roads were very greasy and slippy.
accelerating in 1st, 2nd 3rd or 4th and the back end was coming out even in a straight line in standard R1 egine with LSD.
i had a couple of opposite lock moments which were to be fair self induced
but i was having to back off plenty of times accelerating in a straight line.
30mph foot down and the back tyres were lighting up
Had a great time out though as it was the first this year and managed to find a quiet industrial estate to practice my hillclimb starts
Be careful though as previous posts
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Rubix
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 posted on 8/2/06 at 01:48 PM |
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Truth be told
When we get away with an accidental slide out I guess we are all the same and insist that we meant to do that 
Never mind that s**t, here comes MONGO
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smart51
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 02:19 PM |
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Slow in Fast out. Even when the roads are not slipery, it is safest when on a public road to leave acceleration to the straights. Acceleration on a
bend, even after the apex, can lead to loss of traction at the rear and oversteer [edit: I meant to type oversteer, honest].
With the good acceleration of a 7, there is no need to carry too much speed into a corner or to accelerate whist sill in a corner. You can drive
quickly and safely.
[Edited on 8-2-2006 by smart51]
[Edited on 8-2-2006 by smart51]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 02:25 PM |
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When I lost traction I was on the straight!
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 03:57 PM |
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me too
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muzchap
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 04:53 PM |
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Smart51 - Bah - don't drive it like a motorbike
Sideways is the only way
Ooh and I think you mean oversteer not understeer
JOKE!
Realise how slippy it is - my traction control light on BMW 320D keeps coming on and that 1.5 tonnes easily!
I'd cry like a girl for months if I killed my car... Is that few seconds worth it, after ALL the effort put in... Summers not far away
"Is that few seconds worth it" - hmm sounds like a HIV advert...
[Edited on 8/2/06 by muzchap]
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phillippe
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 posted on 8/2/06 at 05:05 PM |
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very good advice and i agreeeee
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carlgeldard
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 05:27 PM |
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I took mine for an MOT yesterday and it was also my last drive in the car ever as I have now sold it. It scared me Sh**less at frist as its so greasy
on the roads around here. I was thinking as I was having so much fun sliding about just how dangerous BEC would be in these conditions.
Carl
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bigrich
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 06:04 PM |
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did about 50 miles this morning gradually picking up the pace the had a rear end slide just to remind me its still cold and slippery even though i
looked dry. roll on blue skies and hot weather.
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kitcar007kev
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 06:29 PM |
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have just finished getting my car repaired.
overcorrected on a straight and ended up backwards in a hedge Gutted!! .
car is stuck down chester at mo as insurance will only cover recovery one way
Not Chuffed!!
[Edited on 8/2/06 by kitcar007kev]
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 07:01 PM |
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Smart51,
You had a few wiggly moments whilst I was behind you down the lanes on Monday night!!
Dave
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 07:51 PM |
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I have a rear wheel drive van and that has had the back end stepping out a few times recently with alarming moments.. I learnt to sort it but it still
is a hand full when you are three feet of the ground and at the wrong end.....
In a seven it must be seriously bad.
As the man says take it easy..........
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 08:30 PM |
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My V6 omega is the same in the wet but the traction control is great by the time you realize your in a slide it's already killed all power
to the wheels. One day I'll turn it off maybeNOT
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smart51
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 09:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Ashurst
Smart51, You had a few wiggly moments whilst I was behind you down the lanes on Monday night!!
Yeah, and those were on the straights as well!
I was sticking to my "accelerate after the corner" rule which is perhaps why I had to try quite hard to keep up with JAG.
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smart51
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 09:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carlgeldard
I was thinking ... just how dangerous BEC would be in these conditions.
Actually the opposite is true. A bike engine has less torque than a car engine but holds that torque for more revs. A BEC is less likely to spin the
rear wheels than a CEC for the same BHP.
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 09:28 PM |
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never mind spinning it, my ears nearly froze off just now! Wet head having just left the gym... 
Looking forward to cadwell now as the car seems on top form
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 09:47 PM |
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Probably show a granny to suck eggs...
.. most of you know I work in a bodyshop, I dread the fist days rain after a long dry spell, there are 10 times as many shunts as normal, usually have
to work til 10pm just to keep up with the claims
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 10:33 PM |
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Too true - fell off a botorbike many years ago, for just that reason...
We need some torrential rain for a few days, to clean the crud off the roads.
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scutter
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 10:41 PM |
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Know what how you felt David, went to do an overtake saturday, came off the high grip braking surface on a straight and ended up with the nose of the
car pointing at the car I was overtaking
Still what's a Botorbike?
ATB Dan.
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 8/2/06 at 11:20 PM |
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Still what's a Botorbike?
Isnt that a motorbike with a cold
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/2/06 at 12:07 AM |
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what's a Botorbike?
It's the old name for a Jet Ski isn't it?
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Chazzy
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| posted on 9/2/06 at 09:50 PM |
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Roll on the summer... I love it when its dry and its OK when its REALLY wet (coz you have to go slow with an aeroscreen only) but its when there only
a few drops on the road that don't affect normal cars but turn these into ice skates.
Chas
[Edited on 9/2/06 by Chazzy]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 10/2/06 at 08:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
It's the old name for a Jet Ski isn't it?
I've got a cold in my typing fingers...
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