mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:04 PM |
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Roundabout Question
Just seen a similar thread on Pistonheads and it reminded me to ask something on here. Thought I'd ask you lot so's I get a level headed
opinion. I have thought about asking my insurance company which option they would like me to take as ultimately it'll be them that decide whether
or not to pay when I crash (wrongly in my opinion, there should be a proper hearing)
I often use this roundabout to get to my parents house coming from my own. After I leave the M61 I can't directly enter the A666 because of cross
hatching and so I have to use the roundabout in the picture. I come up the slip road marked 1 (bottom left) and go over and exit at the area marked 2.
Now, here's my question. Which lane would you take on your approach onto the roundabout? I've filled in the white lines where Google have
drawn over them and there are no lane marking arrows. You have to stop before entering the roundabout 99% of the time due to traffic.
My own opinion is that I approach in the left lane as per the highway code, left lane for left and onwards, right lane for rights turns unless
otherwise indicated. but this here roundabout is a nigh on death trap. People continually come up the right lane, stop alongside me, who's
stopped in the the left lane and then when we set off they try to cut across me to turn left, causing all sorts of problems.
What lane would you use?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:11 PM |
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Doesnt matter which lane you are in if going stright over. Infact I was told during my driving lessons if going stright over ona roundabout where
there are 2 lanes on the approach and no signs to say different that you should use both lanes. More often that not I will use the right hand lane as
its invariably empty. People in the left hand lane should also give way to traffic merging from the right hand lane too.
This is certainly the case on that roundabout too (assuming no signs say different) as there are 2 lanes on entry and exit for straightover.
As for turning left, its pretty clear that you should be in the left hand lane....
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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luke
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:14 PM |
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i would use left lane. but as there is two lanes on the exit i suppose either really.
is there any lane markings on the island?
the problem you are probably having is people joining in the outside, and then trying to leave on the inside lane.
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balidey
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:16 PM |
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I'd use the left.
BMW and Audi drivers would use the right
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Stuart_B
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:19 PM |
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i would us ethe left hand lane as well.
i suppose you could use the right but make sure you enter on the right and exit in the right hand lane and not cut anybody up.
stuart
black mk indy, 1.6pinto on cbr600 bike carb's.
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:22 PM |
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Two lane in and two lanes out means you can use either.
What you really mean to ask though is surely 'which lane would you use to turn left?' as it's the people who turn left from the
right lane who cause the problem. In which case the answer is that they should be in the left lane unless there are signs or markings to indicate
otherwise.
I suspect the reason people do it is that very few people go straight on from that entrance to the roundabout and so using the right lane to jump the
queue for turning left is a good shortcut!
[Edited on 25/6/09 by matt_claydon]
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:22 PM |
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That island in the middle is lower than the roadways. It's subways and such for the rubbish people to sit in and do their drugs.
I don't mind people coming up the right lane and driving over and then leaving on the right lane so much (though it does annoy me when
they're speeding idiots who just won't wait and come flying up on you) because as said there are two lanes on the exit. Fine.
It's the people who approach in the right and try to turn left. This happens around 1 in every 3 times that I use it.
I think that their thinking is that I shouldn't be using the roundabout to go straight over but like I say when I come off the M61, I am on the
same road surface as the A666 but cannot move over onto it because of cross hatchings on the road placed there because of speed and traffic loading
very likely.
I wonder what the insurance opinion would be. I don't have much faith in them not to put it down to "caused by both parties".
Edited to add Balidey, thems the very people I mean that come shooting up on the right and flying into the roundabout that I don't like. 
[Edited on 25/6/09 by mistergrumpy]
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eddbaz
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
I'd use the left.
BMW and Audi drivers would use the right
I'd also add volvo drivers to that list
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balidey
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddbaz
quote:
Originally posted by balidey
I'd use the left.
BMW and Audi drivers would use the right
I'd also add volvo drivers to that list
And we should also add the Vauxhall drivers that tend to straddle the lanes
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Steve G
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 02:54 PM |
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I'd say anyone using the right hand lane at (1) and turning left across them should be held liable for crashing into anyone going straight over
to (2) from the left lane.
Sounds like its just a desperate attempt to avoid the turn left queue to me by going up the outside.
If going straight on and you know people do turn left across you, then why not just use the outside lane all the time and peel of into the outer lane
at (2)?? Right or wrong - got to look out for yourself and advanced driving courses generally teach defensive techniques. Not putting yourself into a
position where you can be cut up is just that.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:00 PM |
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from the pictures it looks as though the left lane would direct you to turn left, i.e. the markings run into the point which divides the left exit
from the continuing roundabout, so for straight on I'd go with the right lane.
Just my opinion, and no I dont have a BMW Audi, or Volvo.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:05 PM |
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Id say use the left lane but i was also told that you can use either to go straight ahead.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:27 PM |
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To me, the road between 1 & 2 seems to have a lane to go left into exit 2.
I would tend to go to the outside lane on road 1, then into the outside lane on exit 2 - but that's from looking at the map, and I may have a
different opinion if driving on the roundabout in real life!
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smart51
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:34 PM |
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Simple 4 road island with 2 lanes round the island, 2 lanes on your entry slip road and 2 lanes on your exit.
Under normal circumstances, the left hand lane is for turning left or going straight on IN THE LEFT HAND LANE. The right hand lane is for going
straight IN THE RIGHT HAND LANE or for exits to the right of straight on. Local deviations may apply.
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Steve G
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
Under normal circumstances, the left hand lane is for turning left or going straight on IN THE LEFT HAND LANE. The right hand lane is for going
straight IN THE RIGHT HAND LANE or for exits to the right of straight on. Local deviations may apply.
Yep - 100% agree with this, hence me thinking anyone using the right lane and turning left should be held liable for crashing
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
People in the left hand lane should also give way to traffic merging from the right hand lane too.
Not according to my understanding of the highway code, please quote a source for this. I believe anyone wanting to move from the right lane left has
to yield to traffic already in the left lane. I certainly do not give way to someone who has invariably tried to queue jump and then barge back in
front of me.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:47 PM |
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Look at his page...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338
Quote...
Signals and position.
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
* select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
* you should not normally need to signal on approach
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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adithorp
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:51 PM |
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Can't you ask the traffic guys at work or don't you talk to them?
Personally I'd say either but stick to that lane, ie. right lane in, right lane out. Unless it's quiet then left in, right on roundabout,
left out 
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 03:53 PM |
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Oi, Balidey I drive a Vauxhall
Anyhow to add, if it all adds to the conversation. The left turn also has two lanes so the left approach on the slip road doesn't exactly just
flow left.
I could just use the right lane all the time you're right but there is the fact that if you were unaccustomed to this roundabout, you cannot see
the other slip road from the slip road 1 and not knowing if it has two lanes on it or not you would take the left lane to be on the safe side and from
my experience exit 2 is quite tight, has a turn, it's short and has a blind abrupt entry onto the A666 which has quite fast moving 2 lane
traffic with lots of big wagons and so you're better off in the left lane to try and gain as much time as you can to look what's coming
and that's what all the vehicles do anyway. Also like it or not, rightly or wrongly I was taught left for left and ahead and right for right
turns and so in my eyes I am travelling rightly and curteously.
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andyharding
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 04:02 PM |
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Having just been looking at the Highway Code. The only possible reason to use the right lane to turn left is to overtake slower traffic on the left.
As such the rules of overtaking apply...
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On a two-lane dual carriageway you should stay in the left-hand lane. Use the right-hand lane for overtaking or turning right. After overtaking, move
back to the left-hand lane when it is safe to do so.
The last bit is the key, move back when it is safe to do so i.e. if there is a car there it isn't safe so don't move!
I'd stick with the left lane and if someone hits you it's on them.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 04:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
People in the left hand lane should also give way to traffic merging from the right hand lane too.
Not according to my understanding of the highway code, please quote a source for this. I believe anyone wanting to move from the right lane left has
to yield to traffic already in the left lane. I certainly do not give way to someone who has invariably tried to queue jump and then barge back in
front of me.
Source - I was told it by my instructor on my advanced driving course. Not sure its written in the highway code. If you can find anything to
contradict it then please do so.
I didnt suggest that it was a valid excuse for cutting people up either.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 05:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
People in the left hand lane should also give way to traffic merging from the right hand lane too.
Not according to my understanding of the highway code, please quote a source for this. I believe anyone wanting to move from the right lane left has
to yield to traffic already in the left lane. I certainly do not give way to someone who has invariably tried to queue jump and then barge back in
front of me.
Source - I was told it by my instructor on my advanced driving course. Not sure its written in the highway code. If you can find anything to
contradict it then please do so.
I didnt suggest that it was a valid excuse for cutting people up either.
I'd agree that thats not correct. Giving way to the right is a myth anyway, the reason you give way to the right on a roundabout is because you
have to cross a line to continue, and those already on the roundabout dont have to. If you enter a roundabout in a slow vehicle and then someone else
enters after you from an entry further right (ie behind you), you still have right of way over them, as you are established on the roundabout.
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JoelP
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 05:07 PM |
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to mr grumpy though, its quite a simple one as far as i can see! People turning left from the right lane are obviously wrong unless there is signage
to indicate they are allowed. People probably do it because they think it bizarre that someone would go straight on from the left lane when there is a
shorter queue in the right lane that goes the same place!
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BenB
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 05:53 PM |
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I'd go in the right lane as it appears the "left" lane directs you pretty sharply left. I suppose it also depends on where the
majority of the traffic is heading. Very few people in the left lane will be carrying on straight over the roundabout like you so most people in the
left lane will be going left. So you could go in the right and move left (which will then be empty what with everyone going left).
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 25/6/09 at 06:18 PM |
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Points taken. Like I say there's no signage at all.
Adi I don't generally speak to the traffic at work as they're not at my station so I only see them in passing.
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