tegwin
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 08:34 AM |
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Hit by lorry... Whining idiot..
So a chap who owns a dashcam company decides to sit in the middle lane of a motorway traveling slower than the lorries and then wonders why the lorry
drivers are getting annoyed...
True that ramming him isn't ok but I really hope the car driver gets done for being a middle lane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34933345
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sdh2903
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 08:59 AM |
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I don't condone the lorry's behaviour but that guy is a tool. Head and neck injuries? Seriously there was a tiny dent on the side of the
car! He's as bad as the ambulance chasing scumbag claims lawyers
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 09:12 AM |
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Ok then, lets just play devils advocate here.
IF he (the car driver) was doing more than 60mph, then he was doing nothing wrong, the maximum speed for an HGV on the motorway is I believe, 60mph.
From a quick look at the footage it is not entirely clear that the inside lane was clear. (but I might be wrong)
IF the motorway was (it looked like it was) only 3 lanes, then the lorry driver should NOT have used the third lane.
The HGV driver should not have pulled back into the middle lane until he was clear of the vehicle.
The HGV driver SHOULD have stopped at the scene of the incident.
Intimidatory (flashing headlights as you arrive behind a slower vehicle) driving is NOT the professional way of driving that a professional HGV driver
should drive.
The driver is complaining about the lack of police response. By three different forces.
Just my humble opinion. Yes HGV can/do have 40(odd) Tonnes behind them, HGV (and all drivers) should be driving to a higher standard than what is
currently being (enforced) driven. The driving licence should be treated like a privilege not a god given right. (And this also applies to car and
other vehicles.)JMHO.
(Edit bit)
And yes head and neck injuries would have been questionable after driving that much further, but, not impossible allowing for adrenalin. However, I
would still rather get "checked out" after that sort of run in. Not ambulance chasing at all.
[Edited on 2/12/15 by jollygreengiant]
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nero1701
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 09:14 AM |
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What a whinging cock..
Middle lane hog who by the looks of it had an issue getting out of the middle lane when faster moving vehicle was trying to get past.
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owelly
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 09:34 AM |
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Ticket the truck for crashing. Ticket the car for inconsiderate driving.
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jps
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 09:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
So a chap who owns a dashcam company decides to sit in the middle lane of a motorway traveling slower than the lorries and then wonders why the lorry
drivers are getting annoyed...
True that ramming him isn't ok but I really hope the car driver gets done for being a middle lane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34933345
I'm of the opinion that lorry drivers (along with bus/taxi/etc) are professional drivers - if anyone should know better - they should. Plus they
drive the heaviest things on the road, so they can cause the most horrendous damage. The car driver may be a pillock, but the lorry driver should have
the book thrown at him...
Edit: Starting typing that before anyone had replied - I agree with JGG on this one entirely.
[Edited on 2/12/15 by jps]
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tegwin
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 09:36 AM |
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Totally agree the lorry driver has committed an offense and needs punishing for driving in a way that isn't professional... However the way the
car appears to be behaving is equally worthy of investigation and punishment imho.
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shindha
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 10:23 AM |
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I think that the lorry driver did not conduct himself in a professional manner as he is a professional driver. However the car driver acted like a
greater idiot because he had a dash cam, firstly if he sees a lorry coming up to him flashing his lights and blaring his horn I would have thought the
logical thing to do would be to move out of the way, and as it does seem like that there is nothing in the inside lane. How was he to know that the
lorry had not lost its brakes or had some other problems on board? Incidents like this could very easily have ended up in a fatality, so always treat
the other driver as an idiot – I was taught this when I started to drive – works well most of the time.
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hkp57
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 11:20 AM |
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No winners from either side, both drivers were idiots.
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for
"Dash Cam" company he owns?
its backfired on his business ethics though
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CosKev3
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 11:25 AM |
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Ex special constable + dashboard camera company boss = looking for a incident to advertise his company in my cynical opinion 
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Charlie_Zetec
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Totally agree the lorry driver has committed an offense and needs punishing for driving in a way that isn't professional... However the way the
car appears to be behaving is equally worthy of investigation and punishment imho.
Exactly what I was going to say! Both to blame; car driver for baiting the lorry, and the HGV driver for reacting. Unfortunately using a vehicle to
attack another person/vehicle isn't acceptable in any way/shape/form, and I hope they don't try and accept that as GBH or similar. But
what's worse is trying to claim for back/neck injuries. If that's fraudulent, I hope they throw the book at him as it affects all
premiums.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity!
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 11:59 AM |
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quote:
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for
"Dash Cam" company he owns?
what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at
the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick'
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I guess that could be classed as dangerous driving.
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benchmark51
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 12:16 PM |
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Orf wiv thier 'eads, the pair of them
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 01:10 PM |
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From the footage alone that looks like shocking driving by the car but inexcusable stupidity by the lorry.
Prosecute them both.
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Moorron
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 01:24 PM |
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Just read this on the BBC and when I heard a car was rammed 3 times by a lorry I was expecting more than a scuff on the car! I think someone needs to
calm down for ever reacting but if he is an ex copper then I'm not surprised. Milk it for the compo pal.
Lorry driver should have just tailgated him or done a real job at ramming the car 3 times. Im surprised the lorry driver doesn't have his own
footage, that may show a different side to the story. It seems everyone takes a film as truth, when its produced by one of the sides of the argument
it is biased and shouldn't remove the other sides opinion (its just has more info).
Both should be reprimanded.
I run a front and rear cam in my daily car, a gopro in my other lightly used daily car and kit car. It seems many people don't care about
driving now and its worked out in my favour in more than one argument. Especially when you have them hidden and let the other party stick their foot
right in it and then at the end of the argument point the camera out
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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adithorp
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 01:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for
"Dash Cam" company he owns?
what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at
the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick'
!
I guess that could be classed as dangerous driving.
I thought that.
No excuse for the HGV to do that and the legal side of that would seem straight forward but... you have to wonder what had occured before what was
shown and how much it's been edited. If it turned out he'd deliberatly antagonised the HGV in order to "advertise" his product
then he should have the book thrown at him.
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Toys2
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 01:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gremlin1234
quote:
If i were a betting man I would have said the car driver provoked the situation and played the innocent injured victim as a publicity stunt for
"Dash Cam" company he owns?
what provoked it by sitting in the middle lane with hazard lights on. the lights you see flashing at
the beginning of the video are not the lorry headlights, they are a reflection of the cars own lights. ps can also hear the hazard 'tick'
!
I guess that could be classed as dangerous driving.
You're right, I didn't notice his Hazard lights reflecting at first
Also look carefully at the truck on this inside lane, also CATCHING our "victim" in the middle lane, It really does look like some truck
bating going on there
[Edited on 2/12/15 by Toys2]
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coozer
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 02:06 PM |
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As a director of a haulage company I think the HGV driver has reacted inappropriately to something not seen there. He's let his emossions get
the better of him. The car driver has caused the incident either for his own gains or the publicity.
Hgv should not have moved into the third lane and defiantly not used his vehicle to try and force the car over. The car driver had a good few options
there, he could have moved to lane one and slowed down if he was that terrified, he could have stopped on the hard shoulder for the same reason. Or
my preferred option, he could have pushed the right peddle just a bit and accelerated away from all the 'danger' around him. I wonder if
he's the same kind of dickhead that travels along at 45 then when a truck starts to move past speeds up and matches the truck....
I think there was more happened before the start of the footage. There was two hgvs quequed up in lane 1and 2 and he was obviously causing an
obstruction driving slower than 55 in the middle lane.
Hgvs have a speed limiter that is set by the company and can vary anywhere from 50 (coop wagons) to the legal maximum of 56. That's 90kph set
down by the European union.
HGV licences are not handed out lightly and are vocational. They can be revoked at any time by the police, vosa inspectors or the traffic
commissionor.
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BenB
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 02:09 PM |
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As said both are idiots. Driving down the middle lane at <60 with hazard warning lights on. WTF? What precisely was that in aid of and WTF was he
expecting the truck driver to do? Can't go in the outside lane. How did he get in front of a truck he was clearly going slower than? I'd
be interested in seeing the video of 5 minutes just prior to the incident.
And as for neck pain.............. What a dickwad. I've caused my damage to my car with a bit of gravel on a shammy leather. No way that would
cause neck pain.
Fine the truck driver for dangerous driving and criminal damage, do the car driver for driving like a complete twonk and taking the piss.
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ash_hammond
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 04:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
Ex special constable + dashboard camera company boss = looking for a incident to advertise his company in my cynical opinion
Could not agree more!
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YQUSTA
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 04:39 PM |
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I don't think either drivers actions were clever and both are to blame, what I did notice in the video is the main clip ends at 21:37 then the
very last short clip starts at 21:51 and the car has got somewhat in front of the wagon again or at least up the inside of him so it looks like he was
baiting the lorry which if he was as scared as he proclaims to the police then he should have stayed behind so as not to have any more confrontation.
"If in doubt flat out"
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ianhurley20
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 05:17 PM |
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I think the EX special constable says a lot, perhaps to be replaced with the words 'paper hat'
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 05:29 PM |
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I'm absolutely sure that's only half the story... I can imagine some idiot hogging the middle lane, then speeding up when the lorry wanted
to pull back in, just to mess the lorry driver about and "prove a point". IMHO, it's 50/50 blame - both need a good talking-to.
I do agree with the previous comment though - if you feel threatened, just slow down and let the dangerous situation go away. If slowing down
doesn't work, floor it and go around - after all, just about any car can out-manoeuvre a fully-laden HGV if you try hard enough!
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Jed
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 06:07 PM |
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This guy looks like him and is an ex Special Constable....
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ravingfool
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| posted on 2/12/15 at 06:09 PM |
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It's because of morons like this driver that the rest of us are actually thinking about getting a dash cam but sure as hell not from his outfit.
Hope they charge him for exactly the same as the lorry driver as it certainly appears just from the available clip that he's brought this
behaviour on himself.
Hazards in middle lane going very slow for no reason? Somehow overtakes moments later again. Clearly just trying to get some publicity and potentially
damaged someone's livelihood in the process.
Didn't look like the HGV driver was genuinely trying to hit him but to just make a point. Looks like they were driven to it though and whilst no
real defence it should be taken into account.
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