scootz
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 08:30 PM |
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I remember traveling up to see my folks at Xmas 2 years ago. Roads were a bit slippy, but nothing obvious. As you would expect for 7am on Xmas
day... very little traffic.
Long sweeping bend and I can see three cars apparently parked at the side of the road... get closer and see that they've actually all slid off
the damn road and whacked each other!
Then I feel my car sliding... straight towards the cars and the numpties who are standing directly between me their rather solid vehicles!
Thankfully I was in our manual car and could dip the clutch to allow the wheels to start turning at the same speed and regain traction. Had it been
the auto, then I was off... definitely into the cars, possibly taking one of the eejits with me!
I just could not believe their stupidity... either get out of your car and get to a point of safety, or if you really MUST stay at the roadside then
walk down a bit away from the ice-patch and warn oncoming traffic!
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 08:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
 
Funny looking canal.
Nuff said 
Maybe it was a canal, but has dried up due to global warming!
It's Evolution Baby!
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gottabedone
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 08:43 PM |
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Unfortunately this sort of thing just happens. We had it last winter when the local council ran out of grit before the roads really got bad
In a big diesel in first, using engine braking I still couldn't get traction at 5mph down a hill. With small inputs of steering I managed to
get my car straight and around the corner at the bottom of the hill. My youngest boy had stopped screaming by this point and I needed a change of
underwear
It makes you wonder what would have been reported if this had been at night? ...... was the car "nicked" or would they fess up to
it?.........a number may not and this could have ended up in someone's living room!
Thankfully no-one was hurt -well other than the idiot hit by the car she ran away from
Steve
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mattg8000
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 09:11 PM |
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according to this link
http://www.skiddmark.com/video-ice-skating-in-paignton-dont-try-thi
s-at-home/ there was no quay at the end - there is also a picture of the car planted in a brick wall
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clairetoo
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 09:19 PM |
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I'll admait to getting badly caught out this morning - pulling away from home the road was completly frost covered , and not too bad , but as I
came to the `T' junction at the end of the road (which looked clear....) I tried to slow down from the 5mph I was doing in second , and I just
carried on.......on black ice , not a sound from the four locked wheels...........
I slid straight out of the junction , turned the wheel , and let go of the brakes - and it turned !
There was nothing coming (for the first time in years) , but there was a car very close behind , who I suspect was sliding as well.......
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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iank
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 09:21 PM |
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Also on that link
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The couple were warned by neighbours not to venture out that day and they were the only people to attempt to drive on that road. There were
numerous pedestrians around who could barely walk on the black ice so a car really stood no chance.
So I suspect in that case they'd "forcefully told their neighbours to concentrate on their own affairs" and got video'd for
their troubles.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Andi
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 09:47 PM |
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I remember coming downhill in ice in a beautiful German Ford Taunus auto (Cortina mk5 in English methinks). Hit the kerbed corner of the bend at about
10mph and burst 2 front tyres.
Mateyboy in the passenger seat had already took off his seatbelt to jump out and smacked his head into the window screen, shattering it (the screen).
He was fine apart from a red lump. But even worse was, I left it where it was for the night and came back the next day to find (according to the
locals) that the Gyppos had turned up with a hyab truck and nicked it
Out of interest , does anyone think they could handle this road (from a link to the last Bolero video)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWT1pY1mVlY&NR=1
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 09:56 PM |
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I had a bit of a sideways/opposite lock (rwd tin top) moment this morning at 30mph on Scotland Road in Liverpool. This is a 6 lane major road/bus
route. It wasn't particularly early but the car was still showing -5 deg. I took it a little bit easier after that.
You can only really drive to the conditions when you know what the conditions are and that very nearly caught me out this morning and I'm not
ashamed to say so.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 10:02 PM |
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At the end of the day if you hit *solid* sheet ice, like in both those vids you dont stand a hope in hell once you have started sliding unless you
have spiked tyres. No amount of faffing about with brakes, accelerator or steering is going to stop you, especially if there is a slope. If you are
lucky you'll know its sheet ice and might be able to slow using the gears, but chances are you'll still loose it.
Only solution is winter tyres and not getting sliding in the first place....
Agreed the getting out of the car is totally stupid. Basically you just have to hang on for the ride!
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Benzine
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 10:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Only solution is winter tyres and not getting sliding in the first place....
or some kind of cunning flame thrower/salt-thrower device. 
The mental gymnastics a landlord will employ to justify immoral actions is clinically fascinating. Just because something is legal doesn't make
it moral.
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russbost
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 10:05 PM |
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Andi's link above is quite bizarre, I don't know if the road is substantially steeper than it looks (looks flat) but otherwise it's
difficult to believe just how little traction there is - one driver in particular appears quite determined to have an accident! Incredibly right near
the end someone is wandering about on foot in the middle of the road whilst gassing on his Mobi! Darwinian or what?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 10:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Only solution is winter tyres and not getting sliding in the first place....
or some kind of cunning flame thrower/salt-thrower device.
I like your thinking! Could also be useful for ridding street corners of chavs 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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McLannahan
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 10:21 PM |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CXPTkF-NYs
Russian tunnel under a river - apparently during the freeze these accidents are a common occurance.
The bendy bus has a "challenge"
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Andi
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| posted on 4/1/10 at 11:23 PM |
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Originally posted by russbost
Andi's link above is quite bizarre, I don't know if the road is substantially steeper than it looks (looks flat) but otherwise it's
difficult to believe just how little traction there is - one driver in particular appears quite determined to have an accident! Incredibly right near
the end someone is wandering about on foot in the middle of the road whilst gassing on his Mobi! Darwinian or what?
I think its because its shot from a high vantage point in 2d. A bit like when your on a mountain taking a picture from the summit to the ground below.
It never looks high/steep
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RK
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 12:36 AM |
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Having a certain amount of experience in ice - on an ice racing course, no less, I can safely say that flak is right. Nothing would work with that
amount of ice. No winter tread short of studs would work. You might try Liam's trick of putting the clutch down, but even then. You're
effectively done, once you turn that corner!
I've driven into quite a few snow and ice banks, and it does feel weird at first, having NO control. You still try though.
But I wouldn't jump out. That's asking for it.
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dhutch
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 02:18 AM |
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Tbh, given the situation, rear ending a wall is probably quite a cheap options.
Do this age of fiesta not have ABS?
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iank
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 07:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dhutch
Tbh, given the situation, rear ending a wall is probably quite a cheap options.
Do this age of fiesta not have ABS?
ABS makes no real difference when it's that slick, the whole road looks like it's got a thin sheet of clear ice on it.
If you look it picks up speed while it's broadside to the hill, there's no grip available at all.
(woman can be heard telling the pedestrians to walk on the grass so they must be having trouble on the pavements.)
[Edited on 5/1/10 by iank]
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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morcus
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 10:31 AM |
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I wouldn't have thought that car would have ABS.
I don't understand why they started braking as they don't appear to start sliding until after they brake and they weren't going
fast. Looking at the other picture its amazing that it crashed into the wall and not the cars on the other side of the street.
I'm sure that other video was shown on tv around Christmas time '08. Its completely mental. The real question is, how will they get that
fire engine out again?
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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FFTS
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 10:49 AM |
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Hmm seems like jumping out of a sliding car isnt exclusive to thick Brits!! Thick Yanks are good at it too haha. Some also seem to think that watching
a line of cars shunting one after the other and then sitting between two of them in the gap would make for a fun day DOH!!!
Thicky Linky
Chris.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 11:36 AM |
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I reckon thats a setup. Why would you bail out of a car like that?
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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wheelfelloff
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 11:44 AM |
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Have to agree not much to be done once the slide has started. However, my Dads advice has worked for me several times.
1. Get OFF brakes
2. If the front wheels are not turning point them in the direction you are sliding - if you can get them turning you MIGHT get some minimal steering
back
3. Pick something soft
4. Hit it early - if you are going downhill you will only go faster
Following his advice, off the brakes, clutch down and steer downhill to get front wheels turning (or with front wheel drive even use engine to get
front wheels turning), steer gently towards the hedge past the silver car. Tighten seat belt. Prey to whoever you think protects you. Hold on to
wallet you will need it.
In his day of course he always advised going into objects backwards but with today's safety features I would argue that forwards is best.
Regards
Keith
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scootz
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 12:01 PM |
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That's the way I was trained to do it as well Keith... if you're skidding on ice (PROPER ice) then you can forget the brakes as they
aren't going to do you any favours. You will not slow down!
Your only hope is to maintain some level of steering input and try and find a path to safety, or seek a soft place to land.
You will only manage that on ice if all 4 wheels are traveling at the same speed, therefore you have to disengage drive ASAP, so dip that clutch!
Has saved my bacon on quite a few occasions. Even got the missus out of a sticky (well slippy) situation and she didn't even understand the
physics behind what she was doing... I just yelled "clutch" as we started going sideways and she steered out of it beautifully. She then
parked up the car, burst into tears and instructed me to drive!
It's Evolution Baby!
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morcus
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| posted on 5/1/10 at 12:06 PM |
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If your on your own in the car theres a good chance most of its behind you, so at slow speed it might be worth trying to crash backwards because your
less likely to block or jam the nearest door (Though only marginally). I would think it would cost less in repairs if you went tail first.
My old car once drove off (Dry conditions and no ice, engine powered and level) without me in it and stopped when it hit a curb, I don't know
how fast my car was going or how fast the one in the video was but my brain says the curb should have stopped it. watching it again though they
aren't full hight curbs so perhaps that why they didn't stop it.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/1/10 at 05:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Why was she braking???!!!
I think all new drivers should be taught how to control their cars on slippery surface like they do in Finland
LOL local finnish guy who comes to our unit a fair bit (car nut!) ditched his volvo just up the road..............how we laughed as we dragged it out
with the jcb!
Retro RWD is the way forward...........automotive fabrication, car restoration, sheetmetal work, engine conversion
retro car restoration and tuning
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/1/10 at 06:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by morcus
I would think it would cost less in repairs if you went tail first.
It's easier to write a car off with rear damage; boot floor and rear quarter panels are expensive parts to replace!
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