nemesis v12
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:50 PM |
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estimate or quote how many ££££s can it be out by
a question for you all.
i put my car into a shop to finninsh off the bits i cant do (caster camber trim emitions etc) we shook hands on £4500 and that was to include IVA and
registration. now he emailed me a bill for an extra £2800 for "other work required to pass IVA. WTF there must be some limit as to the over or
above figure he can charge.
basically am bolloxed as if i dont pay the bill i dont get me car back????
to old to die young
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:52 PM |
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you got charged £4500 to prepare for IVA, IVA and register? 
AND now he wants £7300!!
thats about the price of my whole car!!
Craig
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boggle
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:52 PM |
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sounds like he saw you coming...but...what were you quoted for?
just because you are a character, doesnt mean you have character....
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tomprescott
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:58 PM |
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I don't think there is any statutory amount or percentage for over-run on a quote, as far as I know, it is either a legally binding document
which stipulates exact figures/dates/contingencies which have to be met OR (as it sounds like you have) an informal guestimate price, unless you
signed something it's likely the only ways to get your car back is to go to court or pay the bill
Hopefully I'm wrong and you'll be ok but if you didn't sign anything and he didn't sign anything then I'd be surprised.
A bird in the hand....
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jossey
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:58 PM |
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speak with your local trading standards office. consumer helpline.
if you have a written quote then you will be ok.
never agree on the shake of a hand.
speak with him to agree somewhere in the middle. if you can. otherwise raise a complaint with trading standards and name and shame them.
think about the negative feedback he would have on here if you posted the crap he did.
:O)
good luck.
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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whitestu
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:59 PM |
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Really, any additional work should have been OKd with you before it was done.
Sounds unreasonable to me. Have you got a breakdown of what you are being charged for?
Stu
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:59 PM |
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If you havent authroized the additional spend I would suggest he hasn't got a leg to stand on - speak to Citizens Advice.
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
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nemesis v12
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:59 PM |
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mines a bid more involved than the average kit mate
20" wheels
v12 engine
and 1 big pain in the bum
to old to die young
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:01 PM |
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Depends whether it was an estimate or a quote. A quote should be a reasonably firm price for a fixed scope of work. An estimate is only a "best
guess" at what it is likely to cost and may be a bit out (usually requiring you to pay more rather than less!). Another £2800 does seem a bit
excessive. Either way I would challenge him as long as obtaining your IVA and registration was within the defined work scope.
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jossey
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:01 PM |
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legal stuff.
in terms of the law. ANY work done outside the quoted figure must be agreed with the customer PRIOR to any work being started.
any work done outside the quoted figure is done outside the common law. Proof must be provided that either you agreed to the extra work or did not
agree on a price.
Hope this helps.
Name and shame them
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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skinned knuckles
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:01 PM |
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wow, thats some big numbers! castor, camber emissions etc are mainly down to the turn of a spanner or screwdriver. was he charging per turn of the
spanner!
i'd ask him to itemise his bill for you so that you can scan it in and post it on the forum and maybe some other traders on here could give you
a genuine quote for the work he has carried out. if he can be presented with this then maybe he will see reason and stick to the agreed price (which
to be honest seems a bit astronimic).
A man isn't complete until he's married, then he's finished
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contaminated
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:03 PM |
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Holy crap - did you give him a bag of metal and nuts and bolts!
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nemesis v12
mines a bid more involved than the average kit mate
20" wheels
v12 engine
and 1 big pain in the bum
IVA is IVA. Doesn't matter what size the wheels are. We all have to sort out the geometry and there are probably more radius issues on a 7. I
would also guess that your emissions would be no more difficult to address than my Italian V Twin.
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BenB
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:16 PM |
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Hooooooooooooooooow much!
Ye gods. I think he thinks you're a walking cash-machine.
I'd ask them to itemize the bill for the work so far! In my book if you shake on a price that's the price unless you've been a
difficult client and decided afterwards that you wanted to add on new bits / do things differently etc.
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eddie99
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Hooooooooooooooooow much!
Ye gods. I think he thinks you're a walking cash-machine.
I'd ask them to itemize the bill for the work so far! In my book if you shake on a price that's the price unless you've been a
difficult client and decided afterwards that you wanted to add on new bits / do things differently etc.
+1. If you have the agreed price in writing. Then you should have no problems. And please tell us who has charged you so much for how much work?
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nemesis v12
mines a bid more involved than the average kit mate
20" wheels
v12 engine
and 1 big pain in the bum
Did he buy the engine for you too?????
Ben
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boggle
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:29 PM |
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for me to charge that sort of money i would expect someone to turn up with a build your own book, an engine and some ali sheet......
you can buy a turnkey car for not much more.....
just because you are a character, doesnt mean you have character....
for all your bespoke parts, ali welding, waterjet, laser, folding, turning, milling, composite work, spraying, anodising and cad drawing....
u2u me for details
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:32 PM |
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As an estimator, quoting for private work, I can legally increase the invoice over the estimate by an eighth (12.5%) providing I can show
justification (parts or paint price increases in the intervening time). Additional costs over an eighth must be agreed by the other party.
What I cannot do is just increase the labour cost because I got my sums wrong - which seems to be the problem in this case.
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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se7en
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nemesis v12
a question for you all.
i put my car into a shop to finninsh off the bits i cant do (caster camber trim emitions etc) we shook hands on £4500 and that was to include IVA and
registration. now he emailed me a bill for an extra £2800 for "other work required to pass IVA. WTF there must be some limit as to the over or
above figure he can charge.
basically am bolloxed as if i dont pay the bill i dont get me car back????
The difference between a Quote and an Estimate in law is a Quotation is a fixed fee for whatever you are trading whereas an Estimate is what it says
it is an approximation of the costs for whatever you are trading. there is no fixed amount that an Estimate can go over by but the party that you are
trading with has to notify you when they are going to run over the Estimate so the extras can be Ok'd by you. 
[Edited on 5/5/10 by se7en]
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stevebubs
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:44 PM |
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nice cars...
linky
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carpmart
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:46 PM |
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That is a lot of money at 4.5k. An extra 2.8k is just ridiculous!
Hold your ground!
Pay what you agreed and no more!
You only live once - make the most of it!
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Brommers
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nemesis v12
a question for you all.
i put my car into a shop to finninsh off the bits i cant do (caster camber trim emitions etc) we shook hands on £4500 and that was to include IVA and
registration. now he emailed me a bill for an extra £2800 for "other work required to pass IVA. WTF there must be some limit as to the over or
above figure he can charge.
basically am bolloxed as if i dont pay the bill i dont get me car back????
Depends on what exactly you shook hands on. If he gave you a firm price, and you agreed to pay him £4,500 to do all the work necessary to get the car
through an IVA test and to do the test, then he's contractually obliged to do that at the agreed price. He cannot legally increase the price by
5%, 10%, 12.5% or any other percentage. He is bound at law to perform his side of the contract, and no party to a contract is entitled (in the
absence of a provision in the contract allowing him to do so) to unilaterally change the terms of the contract.
If, however, the figure he gave you was merely an estimate, then contractually he's still obliged to put the car through IVA but you're
obliged to pay a reasonable sum to represent the work he does in getting it there (the legal term is 'quantum meruit' - the assessment of
a reasonable sum payable under the terms of a contract where the parties have not expressly agreed the remuneration payable under the terms of the
contract).
Of course, since you'll have everything in writing and clearly set out, there shouldn't be any problem in proving what the terms of the
contract are...
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scootz
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:57 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
quote:
Originally posted by BenB
Hooooooooooooooooow much!
Ye gods. I think he thinks you're a walking cash-machine.
I'd ask them to itemize the bill for the work so far! In my book if you shake on a price that's the price unless you've been a
difficult client and decided afterwards that you wanted to add on new bits / do things differently etc.
+1. If you have the agreed price in writing. Then you should have no problems. And please tell us who has charged you so much for how much work?
+ 3
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:28 PM |
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Description
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James
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:38 PM |
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Wow! An actualy life-size picture of it!
Makes it really easy to read the page... thanks Mango!
Cheers,
James
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