smart51
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 09:05 PM |
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let's play 'guess the engine failure'
My wife's C3 diesel was recalled a few weeks ago to have the big end shells replaced. It has been fine since until today. There was a big bang
and the car started shaking. The engine was idling lumpily when we switched it off. We stopped and I looked under the front to see a whole lot of
oil pouring off the front of the engine block. When it was up on the towing dolly (4 hours later  ) the breakdown guy and I looked underneath.
Apart from being greasy, there was no obvious sign of damage. No holes. No bits missing or loose. What do you think has let go? Points will be
awarded once the dealer who did the recall work has had fixed it again.
[Edited on 22-12-2012 by smart51]
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steve m
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 09:10 PM |
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crankshaft has let go, as the bolts were not tightened up
[Edited on 22/12/12 by steve m]
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snapper
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 09:29 PM |
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Spun a big end, thrust bearing let go, pushed crank forward, oil seal popped, oil floods out
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jossey
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:12 PM |
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Crankshaft bearing gone due to oil starvation which bent the oil pan.
Thanks
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Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:15 PM |
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Rod through the side of the block.
[Edited on 22/12/12 by CRAIGR]
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ReMan
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Rod through the side of the block.
[Edited on 22/12/12 by CRAIGR]
+1
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blakep82
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
Rod through the side of the block.
[Edited on 22/12/12 by CRAIGR]
+1
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
the breakdown guy and I looked underneath. Apart from being greasy, there was no obvious sign of damage. No holes. No bits missing or loose.
i'm not so sure... 
oil seal seems quite possible, as above
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I predict a Riot
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:35 PM |
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It' French!
It will be because the cheese melted !!
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Hector.Brocklebank
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| posted on 22/12/12 at 10:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by I predict a Riot
It' French!
It will be because the cheese melted !!
Where's the dammed "like" button when you really need it !!!!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 12:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i'm not so sure...
oil seal seems quite possible, as above
An oil seal failing wouldn't cause a big bang followed by the engine running roughly. It's thrown a rod. Probably the numpty that
replaced the bearings didn't torque up the big end bolts correctly.
[Edited on 23/12/12 by MikeRJ]
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blakep82
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 12:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i'm not so sure...
oil seal seems quite possible, as above
An oil seal failing wouldn't cause a big bang followed by the engine running roughly. It's thrown a rod. Probably the numpty that
replaced the bearings didn't torque up the big end bolts correctly.
what about the "no obvious sign of damage. No holes. No bits missing or loose" out the OP?
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loggyboy
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 12:46 AM |
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Modern engine bays are tight as hell, its quite possible its thrown something through the block that cant be seen behind panels, ac/pas/collant
pipework and the 101 other components 'needed' for moden engines.
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maccmike
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 01:25 AM |
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rod
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PSpirine
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 01:41 AM |
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Conrod.
My 306 once through a conrod when it ran itself to near 8k RPM (this was a DIESEL) on its own engine oil with runaway throttle.
Would still idle and drive, and actually didn't lose too much oil, impressive how well they can idle on 3 cylinders.
P.s. a rod through the block can leave a surprisingly neat/small hole..
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Peteff
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 09:07 AM |
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Turbo oil feed turbo seized, come on don't keep us in suspenders.
yours, Pete
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gaz_gaz
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 09:35 AM |
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Rod through the block.
Happened on my type r and couldn't see it till other parts where out tthe way.
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perksy
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 10:39 AM |
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Rod/Crank
They either haven't replaced the big end bolts when they should have done or they haven't tightened them correctly.
Or they didn't check the crank journals when replacing the shells and its started to knock slightly before complete failure
(being a diesel it might not have been heard ? )
Hopefully the main dealer will accept liability and not try and blame something else....
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vanepico
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 10:49 AM |
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+1 for it's French xD
I'm going to say someone engaged a random improbability drive which improbably removed one of the pistons, the ensuing detonation cause it to
blow an oil gasket and it blew loads of oil out the bottom.
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russbost
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 10:51 AM |
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another +1 for rod thro' block, you just can't see the hole cos it's hidden behind something!
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iank
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 11:21 AM |
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I'll go for the rod option.
Adding the main dealer trying to pretend it was nothing to do with their work and attempting to invoice £2k for a new engine.
[Edited on 23/12/12 by iank]
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ReMan
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 02:06 PM |
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Citroen
Search results (1–3 of 32) New search
Recall: No. 1 of 32
Recall Ref: R/2010/192
Exact Model: C1, C3 & Nemo
Description: ENGINE MAY FAIL
VIN: VF7******AA591443 to VF7******89739019
Build Date: 10/05/2010 to 17/10/2010
Numbers: 72
Defect: Due to incorrect machining, it is possible that the crankshaft is not to the correct specification, which can lead to insufficient lubrication
of the crankshaft and subsequent engine failure.
Action: Recall all affected vehicles and replace the engine.
Launch Date: 05 November 2010
Just the shells then?
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smart51
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 02:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
Citroen
Search results (1–3 of 32) New search
Recall: No. 1 of 32
Recall Ref: R/2010/192
Exact Model: C1, C3 & Nemo
Description: ENGINE MAY FAIL
VIN: VF7******AA591443 to VF7******89739019
Build Date: 10/05/2010 to 17/10/2010
Numbers: 72
Defect: Due to incorrect machining, it is possible that the crankshaft is not to the correct specification, which can lead to insufficient lubrication
of the crankshaft and subsequent engine failure.
Action: Recall all affected vehicles and replace the engine.
Launch Date: 05 November 2010
Just the shells then?
That's interesting. Where's it from?
The letter said connecting rod bearings or something similar. I suppose it was quoting the fault, not the recommended fix. We'll see what they
say about it when I ring them.
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ReMan
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 03:31 PM |
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First thing that came up on a google
link
Apart from the banter I did genuinely woder wtf would be a recall for shells?
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six mad
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 08:17 PM |
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My guess is a broken rod through the block possibly due to big end issue.
Coming from the evo scene this was common. My mates evo 9 let go at spa due to the con rod bolts coming loose
Because they were not torqued properly. That made a real mess bits of rod piston and block all over the place!
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gremlin1234
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| posted on 23/12/12 at 09:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
First thing that came up on a google
link
Apart from the banter I did genuinely woder wtf would be a recall for shells?
also shown on vosa site, recalls
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/expand.asp?uniqueID=16BDAF077D0DA3D0802577CB00425A5F&freeText=Blank&tx=
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