907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:10 AM |
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Failed IVA
Hi All
OK, it's official, I'm a failure. 
Four items to fix then hopefully it's a pass.
1/
My demister sucks air the from inside the engine bay.
The fix is to block off with a duct that will mate with the underside of the bonnet.
Louvres in the bonnet and jobs a good un.
2/
Brakes need an overhaul. Generally out of balance.
New seals were used when I fitted them but lack of use has made them stiff, some more than others.
A pre MOT would have shown this up. New seals all round and new fluid followed with a rolling road check.
3/
Fog light wired wrong.
Needs to only work with headlights and not work with side lights. Rewire.
4/
My side repeaters failed the 5 deg from the rear visibility test. Obscured by rear wheel arch.
Dennis the tester said, " You have obviously gone to a great deal of trouble to find and fit these. They would have
passed SVA but I've got to fail them." ( see pic )
I'm now looking for a pair of mirrors that have repeaters incorporated and are viewable from behind.
Not the type fitted to bikes that are front indicators and viewable from the front only.
Any help with this would be much appreciated.
Blew a 5a fuse. Pinched a 20a from the tin top.
Headlight out of alinement, adjusted with Dennis's help. ( up a bit, right a bit, that'll do )
It was a long day. Set the alarm for 4.45 woke at 3.15 Set off at 5.45 and arrived at 7.55
By the time everything was put away it was 5pm. A meal, a wash, and in bed at 9.
Knackered, but a grand day out, and a "good fail".
Cheers All
Paul G
 
Passes SVA but fails IVA
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:24 AM |
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As failure lists go, that's a very short one!
That's a good result, if a fail can be good - not a lot to get sorted.
Well done!
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:25 AM |
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Bad luck Paul, would have been nice to pass first time but at least they are all easy fixes. Mel
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907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:29 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Bad luck Paul, would have been nice to pass first time but at least they are all easy fixes. Mel
If it were still SVA two of those would have passed. An even shorter list.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:31 AM |
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Mine passed SVA with the heater intake inside the engine bay and the repeaters exactly where yours are
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:01 AM |
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My repeaters are also in a similar position, although they do stick out a bit further than Paul's. From what I can pick up, I think the tester
would have liked to have passed them, if he could. He sounds as though he was sympathetic.
As for the rest - brakes out of balance, fair enough, just unfortunate that they'd sat around for ages. Fog light, fair enough, just an easy
re-wire. Demist from the engine bay - I can't comment, I don't have demist! I think I'd prefer that it came from outside, but
that's just personal preference anyway.
Probably worth finding out why that fuse went - may be a potential fault, or just a too-small fuse.
[Edited on 14/2/15 by David Jenkins]
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CosKev3
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:10 AM |
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Not too bad at all 
Surely the demister taking in air from under the bonnet should not fail on a car with no roof?
I can understand the reasoning for a car with a roof, fumes etc.
Indicator position and fog light wiring have been discussed a lot on here 
If your planning on using the side in indicators on scuttle once it's passed test you will need to remove them from the car and put a grommet in
the hole for the retest.
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 907
Hi All
OK, it's official, I'm a failure.
Four items to fix then hopefully it's a pass.
Passes SVA but fails IVA
Tough luck - but it happens. Shows that the IVA testers have become more knowledgible.
Of greater and immediate interest are your screen support brackets/stanchions, as shown in your pic. What material are they made from?
I ask because I'm in the process of making my own support brkts, using 6mm Al sheet. Caterham used similar (where I copied the dimensions).
Work-in-Progress: Changed to Zetec + T9. Still trying!!
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james h
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:48 AM |
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quote:
Passes SVA but fails IVA
Liking the indicators!
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adithorp
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:58 AM |
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Nice short list.
Shame about the side repeaters as they look great. I think the rear arches are the location that's been found to pass best. If you fit another
set to pass then you'll have to blank those off somehow as you're only allowed one set of side repeaters. Don't think just removing
the bulbs will pass unless the wiring is also removed.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 11:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CosKev3
Not too bad at all
Surely the demister taking in air from under the bonnet should not fail on a car with no roof?
I can understand the reasoning for a car with a roof, fumes etc.
Indicator position and fog light wiring have been discussed a lot on here
If your planning on using the side in indicators on scuttle once it's passed test you will need to remove them from the car and put a grommet in
the hole for the retest.
@ CosKev
Their argument would be that you could change things post IVA.
Several have fitted all weather gear as a mod afterwards. Trev D made an ally one.
Need to plate over the hole. It's a complicated shape so no grommet.
@ David.
When wiring I used a small fuse for testing purposes. Make and test one circuit at a time.
Must have left it in. doh!
@ Dick
Windscreen supports cut from 3mm sheet ally. (not strips welded together)
Cheers All
Paul G
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Myke 2463
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 11:23 AM |
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Would it be possible to drill the outside edge of the mirror housing and fit small round repeater. i thought that CBS used to sell mirrors with side
repeaters.
Be Lucky Mike.
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CosKev3
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 11:25 AM |
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I thought they could only test what is fitted on the day?
If they could fail them on things you could change after test not many people would pass the test!!
Standard steering wheels/big ugly shields over exhausts/extensions on front indicators etc.
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907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 11:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Myke 2463
Would it be possible to drill the outside edge of the mirror housing and fit small round repeater. i thought that CBS used to sell mirrors with side
repeaters.
That's worth some thought.
Cheers
Paul G
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owelly
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 12:59 PM |
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Or fashion an offstand for the repeater? An offstand that may fall off in the near future.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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John Bonnett
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 01:22 PM |
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You are certainly not a failure Paul. Your car is a work of art. beautifully crafted, well engineered and one that anyone would have been proud to
have built.
Thank you for the heads up on wiring the rear fog light. I would have done exactly the same as you and wired it through the side lights. I'm in
the middle of wiring my car now so still time to change it.
As for the other items; all trivial and easily rectified. I'd say, a good result Paul.
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snapper
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 03:15 PM |
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I have seen the small round repeaters fitted to the headlight bowl or the outer edge of the front wing
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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maccmike
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 04:07 PM |
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I think youve done good there.
When U IVA mine Im going to get an mot station to go over it.
I like the indicator detail.
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 05:43 PM |
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If you remove the scuttle mounted indicators for the iva retest, I have some brushed stainless steel effect offcuts that are about 0.80mm thick at
work, I could send you some so that you could loosen the windscreen supports, push these behind to cover the triangle hole & then re tighten the
windscreen supports to hold in position.
Drop me a u2u if you are interested, it's from some heavy duty equipment labels that we use at work, I don't think it will even notice
& you can put back how it was afterwards without too much hassle.
I can pop a couple of bits in the post for you.
[Edited on 14/2/15 by Andybarbet]
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 06:58 PM |
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^^^^^^^^
Thank you very much for the offer Andy.
I do have some 0.9 that will do the job.
So what do we think of these?
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/stick-on-amber-led-indicator-pair-leda9
Fit them down the outside edge and round to the underside of the mirror.
Wire would almost be hidden under the mirror.
After IVA I would like a pair of ally bullet shape race mirrors (convex) as they would be in keeping with the car.
I'm sure the present mirrors will find a home.
Cheers
Paul G
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 08:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 907
So what do we think of these?
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/stick-on-amber-led-indicator-pair-leda9
Fit them down the outside edge and round to the underside of the mirror.
Wire would almost be hidden under the mirror.
I'd be worried about type approval - the one advantage of fitting lights with approval marks is that the tester can't complain about the
light itself, only about where it's fitted.
This is assuming that those lights haven't got an approval mark, of course.
Oops - just noticed that they are marked E11 - so the only issue would be whether your indicator circuit would work OK with a LED light in circuit.
Probably get away with a load resistor somewhere though.
I wonder what the sidewards visibility would be like if mounted the way you suggest...
[Edited on 14/2/15 by David Jenkins]
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 09:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
quote:
Originally posted by 907
So what do we think of these?
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/stick-on-amber-led-indicator-pair-leda9
Fit them down the outside edge and round to the underside of the mirror.
Wire would almost be hidden under the mirror.
I'd be worried about type approval - the one advantage of fitting lights with approval marks is that the tester can't complain about the
light itself, only about where it's fitted.
This is assuming that those lights haven't got an approval mark, of course.
Oops - just noticed that they are marked E11 - so the only issue would be whether your indicator circuit would work OK with a LED light in circuit.
Probably get away with a load resistor somewhere though.
I wonder what the sidewards visibility would be like if mounted the way you suggest...
[Edited on 14/2/15 by David Jenkins]
Hi 907.
I completely agree with John Bonnett who wrote "You are certainly not a failure Paul. Your car is a work of art. beautifully crafted, well
engineered and one that anyone would have been proud to have built"
My build is pretty low standard compared to what you guys go through in UK, so as I said in a previous post, I have plenty of time to faff around in
the Internet, so I took the decision to download IVA Manual and try to comply with it for the remainder of the build...
I am in the process of selecting what items are worth pursuing and which not...
Regarding side repeaters Method of Inspection and Required Standards, it Does Not ask for E marked Lights.
It also does not ask for a minimum Intensity, so I would think a big enough LED embedded on the Mirror Housing may pass; wiring then could be run
within the mirror, I cant make up how your mirrors are mounted, any chance the Pylons are Hollow??
Then cables may run within those too.
HTH.
AA
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:24 PM |
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Would those lights be seen as being a permanent fitting Paul ?
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907
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 10:58 PM |
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Possibly not Mel, but nothing was said about the interior mirror held in place with mounting tape.
I have a mix of led & bulbs so I think that led repeaters wouldn't be a problem David.
No hollow stems AA. No such luck.
To be honest I can't get my head round the need for a side indicator to be seen from the rear (almost) of the car.
From the point that Dennis (the tester) marked on the floor the view of the side repeater was blocked by the rear arch,
but on that very arch is the rear light unit, part of which is the rear indicator.
The indicator is blocked by the indicator. (shrug)
The other thing that puzzles me is that for IVA the view is predominately from the rear.
Side repeaters on production cars are viewable predominantly from the front.
Still, if a hoop is held up I suppose we must jump though it.
If anyone spots a production car with mirrors that would pass please let me know.
I've got a feeling the price would be ott though.
Cheers
Paul G
p.s. thanks for the complements btw.
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Angel Acevedo
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| posted on 14/2/15 at 11:09 PM |
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Digging into IVA manual Part 23 Direction Indicators.
Note 3 of the Method of inspection states:
TextNote 3: In addition, on M1 vehicles less than 6 m in length,
side-marker lamps may be used, if they supplement the angles
of visibility requirements of front indicator lamps or rear
indicator lamps where the obligatory lamps do not meet.
So to the letter: M1 Vehicles are not Mandatory .
Side repeaters are optional.
Unless my understanding of english is different to yours. Then: If you don´t install Side Repeaters, you don´t need to comply with thee
"Required Standard"
Bear (Sp?) with me as english is my second language and when I say english I mean "Colonies" english.
Regards
Angel Acevedo
What the hell with my connection??
I have to send reply twice..
Just after typing....
Beware of what you wish.. for it may come true....
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