Jon Ison
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 08:56 PM |
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How many van drivers knew this ?
Be honest, I confess to been ignorant to it, maybe as been an old duffer I never had to take a LGV test, guess if I had I would know.
So for years I have been breaking the law on roads like the A1, A14, A34, A43 and any other to be honest.
So how many non car derived van drivers on here have been breaking the law and didn't realise ? Own up.
Silly thing is on the A1 etc with fixed speed cameras drive through at 70 no problem, get some tax man sat in a scamera tax collection van and he
drops you one on.
Van Drivers ...
Many van drivers get caught out because they do not know the law. Make sure you know the national speed limits that your vehicle is restricted to
If your van has a maximum laden weight (Gross Vehicle Weight) of over 2 tonnes (2020kg) then you are restricted to lower speed limits on single
carriageways and dual carriageways.
If your van or goods vehicle has a maximum laden weight (Gross Vehicle Weight) of over 7.5 tonnes (7500kg) you are also restricted to lower speed
limits on motorways
Below are some examples of speed limits for vans, however, you should check the Gross Vehicle Weight and “plated” weight of your van/goods vehicle.
Vans
Type of vehicle
Built-up area Single carriageway Dual carriageway Motorway
Transit Type Van 30 50 60 70*
Luton Type Van 30 50 60 70*
Astra Type Van 30 60 70 70
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:01 PM |
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And this is the reason.......
Q. Why should vans have lower speed limits than cars when they now have modern advanced braking systems like cars?
A. The main reason for these lower speed limits is that goods vehicles are designed to be able to carry heavier loads and when laden they will tend
to take longer to slow down than a car travelling at the same speed.
They will "tend" to take longer to slow down" but apparently not on motorways ???
Must tell VW to get rid of the abs and traction control they fitted.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:02 PM |
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Bet loads think they can do car speeds. I just did my LGV test (Class C so >7.5 ton) befor xmas and they are restricted to 30, 40, 50 and 56 on the
same roads. Surprised me that the limits were so low - ie 40 for a truck on what might be a 60mph limit road for a car so dont get quite so fed up at
being held up now!! 
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:04 PM |
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i thought it was any van 3.5tonnes or over that was limited in speed. Mines 2.8t, i tend to do about 90 
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Miks15
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:05 PM |
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what about some of the big cars? like hummers etc? im prety sure there over 2 tonnes! and id rather be hit by a van than one of them!
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:09 PM |
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Yep I had this argument on a radio phone in show with a chief constable. Asked him why the fixed speed cameras were singling out the car driver
because they did not make allowances for the vehicles weights. But then he lied and said they do. If that was the case then they would have to take a
photo of every vehicle and then the police would have to examine every photo and asses the weight limit of the vehicle from information held a swansea
and then issue tickets appropriately.
I'm sure that some one with money could get these cameras outlawed on the grounds of human rights because they only target a specific group of
drivers and make no attempt to up hold the law as it applies to ALL classes of vehicles equally
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:11 PM |
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example,
M180 turns into A180, aside from that nothing changes except hard shoulder.
M11, nothing but a duel carriageway for most of its length. ?
A1, A1M ? is the A1M a motorway, starts with an A.
Forever confused.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:13 PM |
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A prime example of criminal stupidity.
We have a triple track road near us which is twin east and single west and swaps half way through. There is a camera 1/4 mile before the swap which
should make things safer.
The net result is all the 7.5 tonners anchor up to drag their speed down fron 60 to 40 while the rest grind down from 80 to 60, all within about 100
yards so they all pass the gatso at legal speeds. The result is total mayhem with regular accidents.
To further complicate the matter, the central track of the triple lane road is shared by both east and west bound traffic.
So with the commercial vehicles slowing to 40 in both outer lanes and the cars slowing to 60 in the central lane while others are doing exactly the
same thing in the opposite direction, all the gaps to pull back into the outer lanes are disappearing because the truck are closing up on each
other.
Speed kills? No its bloody stupid road designers - and don't get me going on traffic calming!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chris mason
the other thing is 7.5 toners aren't supposed to use the outside lane of the motorway, but thats something i see every day, and i've never
seen a copper pull one for it either, maybe the police don't know all the rules or maybe the paperwork isn't worth the hassle.
Chris
reading a poster in my local van hire place, apparently 3.5 tonners arent meant to use the 3rd lane either!
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balidey
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Yep I had this argument on a radio phone in show with a chief constable. Asked him why the fixed speed cameras were singling out the car driver
because they did not make allowances for the vehicles weights. But then he lied and said they do. If that was the case then they would have to take a
photo of every vehicle and then the police would have to examine every photo and asses the weight limit of the vehicle from information held a swansea
and then issue tickets appropriately.
I'm afraid its true in some cases. My brother in law was caught in his HGV doing 50mph when he should have been doing 40mph. There was no way
the camera could detect he was in an hgv. It turns out that some cameras have their trigger speed set down to 40mph during the early hours of the
morning (when its mostly trucks on the road) and they simply discard all the photos of cars and prosecute the truck drivers.
I can't remember who he found this out from, but it went to court. And yes he was fined.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
reading a poster in my local van hire place, apparently 3.5 tonners arent meant to use the 3rd lane either!
But its fine for a 52 seater coach to go charging down the 3rd lane at 70mph - figure that one out then for common sense. 52 people on a coach that
size are likely to weigh more than 3.5 tonnes (thats total weight - not each before some smartarse says summat )!!
[Edited on 22/4/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:38 PM |
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yeah i did .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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Russell
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:42 PM |
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Saw an article in one of the Sunday papers a while back. Chap driving a Peugeot Expert car derived van (i.e. full of seats and windows - like a
people carrier) was done for doing 60 on a single carriageway road. Objected and was told limit for the vehicle is 50 because it is a "van
derived car", as opposed to a "car derived van". Fine had to be paid.
I'm a bilingual illiterate. I can't read in two languages.
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Mansfield
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:43 PM |
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Edit - scrub that previous comment, just realised I am in fact 25Kg heavier than 3500/52.
[Edited on 22/4/08 by Mansfield]
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Thinking about it
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 09:50 PM |
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Amazing how something as small as a Fiat Doblo 1.9D comes in 10kg over the 2 tonnes on the gross laden weight.
Also an Astra 1.9cdti auto van comes in only 10kg under
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 10:10 PM |
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Thats bloody heavy then.. I'm sure the Kangoo's something like 1700kg's fully laden max in the handbook
Mine weights about 1480kg with a fair amount of service tools, cordless drill, spanners, spares, nuts n bolts, stilsons etc I checked up because I had
a spaight of moving 150kg plus pumps and motors as my van was the easiest to put them in.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 10:11 PM |
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Where do people carries come into this ?
Whats the average weight, ohhhhhh 7 on board, if they all weight the same as me that's 700kgs to start ??
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 10:25 PM |
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Yup V.good point and considering there often about the slowest accelerating vehicles there not likely to have the best brakes either.
And there normally just based on a car floor pan and running gear so not particularly designed well for it either compared to a van thats going to be
90% of the time well laden.
Just imagine the weight on 1 towing a trailer as well.
Then again to contridict that i've been in a Vauxhall Zafira Diesel 6 up doing 145mph on the Autobahn!
[Edited on 22/4/08 by MkIndy7]
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stuart_g
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 11:05 PM |
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I got done for speeding in an Astramax van, which is car derived, seems the police don't know the rules either as I got done in a 30 limit doing
56 (oops!) the code that was put on my license was sp20 for exceeding the speed of the type of vehicle, I couldn't quite work that one out.
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les g
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| posted on 22/4/08 at 11:36 PM |
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yep
in my works van doing 61 on the a30 expecting to be safe nope i was nicked cuz the van only legal for 50
had too cough £65.00 and take a speed awareness course to avoid the points and yes the q was asked about hummers large 4x4s and if they are over that
2020kg figure they can be nicked as well if the fascists know are feeling mean and know the rules
les g
[Edited on 22/4/08 by les g]
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 23/4/08 at 06:26 AM |
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One of our drivers got stopped on the A27 a couple of weeks ago for that. We have now put the max speeds in the vans but its hard to get used to 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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smart51
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| posted on 23/4/08 at 07:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
But its fine for a 52 seater coach to go charging down the 3rd lane at 70mph
The bus speed limit on the motorway is 65 MPH and I believe that they aren't allowed to use the outside lane if there are 3 or more lanes.
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brynhamlet
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| posted on 23/4/08 at 07:35 AM |
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Can someone tell me why the heck trucks are limited to 40 on single carriage roads? Yes I know they take more space to stop, but all that is happening
is you get two or more nose to tell and they are impossible to pass. Result frustration and dangerous overtaking
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Peteff
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| posted on 23/4/08 at 09:03 AM |
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It applies to cars pulling trailers and caravans as well but I've seen no end travelling at illegal speeds and using the outside lane on
motorways.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 23/4/08 at 11:43 AM |
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I got busted on the A92 for this very reason in the van. So we dont rush anymore and stick to cruise mode.
As well as a few coworkers have been tugged and fined in the Transits
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