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nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 05:52 PM

Sorry no vid. Went like the clappers!!!

I have a few issues:
Although electric reverse seperate from bike electrics, I wired a relay into the N to prevent the starter from being engaged. Problem is that when I engage reverse, it kills the engine. I can only think that it is sucking the life out of the battery?

Gearshift indicator on the VR2 works, DG8 does not as I can't program it.
Reading on here, not enough pulses as I have a single magnet for the VR2.
It looks like I will have to get another hall sensor and set up more magnets just for that. Is there some sort of speed reading off the ecu? If so I could use that.
Fuel tank sensor works but I think that it only works on bulbs. I fitted an led which probably will work from low voltages from 5V-12V so is permenantly on.
Another worry is that my bubble screens are above eye level, is this a fail?
I managed to glue all of my cycle wings on. Still loads of edges to cover!

The air levelling suspension works faultlessly

Just waiting for nose to come back from painters.


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[Edited on 11/3/2009 by nitram38]


koiking125 - 11/3/09 at 06:12 PM

Looks like it's as mad as a bag of Badgers


theconrodkid - 11/3/09 at 06:18 PM

cant wait to see it at a meet somewhere,bags first ride


james h - 11/3/09 at 06:44 PM

That looks like a right beast! Bagsy second ride


adithorp - 11/3/09 at 06:45 PM

There's a measurement for the height of the screens before they need wipers/demister. Sorry, can't remember the numbers.

Looks good but I'm not sure about the red edge trim.

adrian


pewe - 11/3/09 at 07:04 PM

That looks so cool - mucho respect.
As for the screens just leave them of for SVA, they can always find their way on later.
Cheers, Pewe

[Edited on 11/3/09 by pewe]


MikeR - 11/3/09 at 07:05 PM

I appreciate your car isn't an Atom ....... but are atom sides that high?

Its the first time i've noticed they seem shoulder height.

Looking forward to seeing it clothed (oh ok, the front nose on).


nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 07:08 PM

The atom side rails are lower. Personally I like them at shoulder height to protect me!

Just posted a link on the atom forum.... here

The first reply is up to their usual standard


[Edited on 11/3/2009 by nitram38]


adithorp - 11/3/09 at 07:19 PM

Wait for the comments when you put the nose on! I can see the Bat-mobile connection though with those screens.

adrian


Johneturbo - 11/3/09 at 07:24 PM

looks great.
well the Atom forum went well then


Surrey Dave - 11/3/09 at 07:42 PM

What a bunch of nice chaps on the Atom forum, they obviously appreciate the effort that goes into building a car from scratch, ****holes!!


rf900rush - 11/3/09 at 07:59 PM

Hi Martin
Probably stating the obvious, but...

If you can remove the screens the all the better for the SVA.
A full screen will be tested for demisting, washer/wipers.
Less to test means less to fail.
Check for radii even sides/front that meet the bottom of your car.
Plus, don't just check you car for complience, check lights,steering wheel etc.


Can not see side repeater's in your picture.


Martin.


nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 08:02 PM

Side repeaters are going on the nose, but are also on the back of the mirrors!
I was thinking of removing the screens.
I'm pretty sure that they will find something.....


mistergrumpy - 11/3/09 at 08:03 PM

Good on you mate, awesome achievement. I'd love to see it at a show sometime.
I would like to see a photo with the nose on as I think it's going to add a lot too it. I'm with Adrian on the red bits though and I can see the batmobile connection, but hey, the whole thing far outweighs my opinion.


nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 08:05 PM

I went for red instead of boring black.
I also plan on getting the side aluminium panels wrapped with some decent graphics


mistergrumpy - 11/3/09 at 08:09 PM

Oh please put Heinz baked beans graphics on the tub and show the Atom owners that it really looks like it was cut with a tin opener. They've probably never seen a tin opener because their mams do it for them because they're as weak as their own comments and excuses!
What a bunch of uneducated, none appreciative, more money than brains, "please mummy I want bitty", know f**k all about cars and driving because I saw it on Top Gear and just paid through the arse for one to be built for me arris holes!

[Edited on 11/3/09 by mistergrumpy]


dinosaurjuice - 11/3/09 at 09:44 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Oh please put Heinz baked beans graphics on the tub and show the Atom owners that it really looks like it was cut with a tin opener. They've probably never seen a tin opener because their mams do it for them because they're as weak as their own comments and excuses!
What a bunch of uneducated, none appreciative, more money than brains, "please mummy I want bitty", know f**k all about cars and driving because I saw it on Top Gear and just paid through the arse for one to be built for me arris holes!

[Edited on 11/3/09 by mistergrumpy]


i want to add to this after reading their comments, but you pretty much covered everything


rf900rush - 11/3/09 at 09:50 PM

Just seen some of the comments from the Atom site.

And there was me thinking the people running our banks were the biggest W******S on the planet.

If they only stopped for a minute to see the resources some have and achieve so much.

Good luck with the SVA
Martin.


bigben - 11/3/09 at 10:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
The atom side rails are lower. Personally I like them at shoulder height to protect me!

Just posted a link on the atom forum.... here

The first reply is up to their usual standard


[Edited on 11/3/2009 by nitram38]


Moved the post on the Atom forum to where it should be, which is here

here

Enjoy

Ben


nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 10:06 PM

From their comments, there is not one original comment amongst them.
They called my car an Atom Clone, but by their very comments they say it is not and they think I'm mad!
The only Atom Clones are the people all making the same comments.
What is funny is that if a reasonable person comes across their website, they are providing the evidence of them all being t*ssers.
I'm not going to comment on the thread any further, just let it roll until they realise that they have embarassed themselves.


nitram38 - 11/3/09 at 10:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bigben
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
The atom side rails are lower. Personally I like them at shoulder height to protect me!

Just posted a link on the atom forum.... here

The first reply is up to their usual standard


[Edited on 11/3/2009 by nitram38]


Moved the post on the Atom forum to where it should be, which is here

here

Enjoy

Ben


Who says I am competing? Thanks for the compliment!
I built my car, for me, the way I wanted to.
By the way how much is the insurance on an atom? Cough!


cloudy - 11/3/09 at 10:17 PM

Martin are you still intending to get a new reg - if so check my build thread...

James


bigben - 11/3/09 at 11:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
quote:
Originally posted by bigben
quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
The atom side rails are lower. Personally I like them at shoulder height to protect me!

Just posted a link on the atom forum.... here

The first reply is up to their usual standard


[Edited on 11/3/2009 by nitram38]


Moved the post on the Atom forum to where it should be, which is here

here

Enjoy

Ben


Who says I am competing? Thanks for the compliment!
I built my car, for me, the way I wanted to.
By the way how much is the insurance on an atom? Cough!


Forum rules are no discussion of clones / replicas except in that thread. For what its worth I don't think yours is half as bad as many in that thread. Still what would I know being an Atom owner and therefore a know nothing tosser (to paraphrase some of the previous posters on this thread)

Ben

edited to add about £300 why ?

[Edited on 11/3/09 by bigben]


Blackbird - 12/3/09 at 05:28 AM

A-holes aside, you built a fantastic looking car!
Are these fenders (wings for you Brits) from Carbonmods?
How hard were they to install and how solid are they once installed?

I'm considering them for my car.

Moti


nitram38 - 12/3/09 at 07:37 AM

bigben, don't you think that the comments were understandable considering that all I got was nothing but abuse?
When you consider it has taken me 20 months of graft and lots of calcs, drawings and testing things to get this right and someone who just writes a cheque and has no building experience gives me a slating, what would you say?

Some of the comments are so funny. Like comments about my "hatchet tub" and tin opener etc.
The tub was cut on a cnc machine and welded. I prefer a metal floor to a fiberglass one.
The rails were cnc rolled.

Blackbird, the wings are fairly easy to fit as long as you plan your work. Not cheap though at £200 per pair.
I made brackets that bolt to uprights (purpose made captive threads) and folded round bar that goes over the tyres.
The edges of the wings are drilled to pass the rod through and still maintain the strength of the wing edge and then I used tigerseal to stick them on.
At first I just put some dabs of tigerseal to make sure they were where I wanted them and then I put plenty on plus I used some fine aluminium mesh that goes from under the bars and onto the underside of the wings to help.
The main thing is that I keyed the surface of the wings and the bars with course glasspaper.
I've yet to drive the car at high speed but I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

[Edited on 12/3/2009 by nitram38]


neilj37 - 12/3/09 at 08:14 AM

Have to say though that i would have expected those sort of comments from Atom "purests".

I went to a caterham bash once and was told to move my MNR away as it wasn't a "proper" caterham, bunch of snobs.

I have total respect to you guys that build cars from scratch. As an engineer I appreciate the amount of work that goes into them. I would quite happily be seen in the MotaLeira or Warner R4.

[Edited on 12/3/09 by neilj37]


bigben - 12/3/09 at 10:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
bigben, don't you think that the comments were understandable considering that all I got was nothing but abuse?

When you consider it has taken me 20 months of graft and lots of calcs, drawings and testing things to get this right and someone who just writes a cheque and has no building experience gives me a slating, what would you say?

[Edited on 12/3/2009 by nitram38]


Without going into the same tired arguments on this forum I think your antagonistic posting style on the Atom forum has not really helped your case. Posting a link on this forum shows you were only ever on the Atom forum to get people's backs up.

As some on the Atom forum have said A+ for effort but you have to acknowledge that not everyone has the time / ability to build their own car so 'just write a cheque' (as you so nicely put it'.

Ben


nitram38 - 12/3/09 at 01:38 PM

I didn't say anything!
I just posted a link. I can't see any of the positive comments that you speak of in that thread.
Only I do 84 hour weeks and I still manage to build a car

To those interested, I sorted the gear indicator today (DG8) by running a wire to the speed sensor on the gearbox. This probably gives more pulses so it works. I plan on replacing the bubble screen panel with a flat one for sva. I also fitted a baffle in the exhaust and it has bought my exhaust down from 102 to 100 dB. It is a piece of pipe that is straight through, so stil allows the emissions probe to go in.
Judging by my XD-16, the emissions are spot on at idle and 3000 rpm, but not sure if it will pass as I can't get to a proper machine yet.
My paddleshift was a bit stiff but I had allowed for a longer gearshift arm with several holes. Dropping the pivot back about 20mm has transformed the paddles. They now go in easy.
I have the 1" mesh ready to start creating an engine cover which I will start on Monday night, after I have borrowed the croppers from work!
The brakes seem a bit soft when first used and then get better. I suspect air in the front circuit or the Wilwoods retract to far?
I've bled them from both top nipples.

[Edited on 12/3/2009 by nitram38]


Gav - 12/3/09 at 01:49 PM

On the willwood website it says you have to bleed the farthest from the MC first and work back.

Might help...

[Edited on 12/3/09 by Gav]


mistergrumpy - 12/3/09 at 03:31 PM

quote:

As some on the Atom forum have said A+ for effort but you have to acknowledge that not everyone has the time / ability to build their own car so 'just write a cheque' (as you so nicely put it'.



That's a fair point I think. You can't detract from the time and effort just because it isn't a "pure" copy. If indeed that was the original intention.


cloudy - 12/3/09 at 04:07 PM

Martin, my side repeaters failed because the tester wanted to see them stood in line with the tyres from the rear at eye level, little suspect but just a heads up for your mirror repeaters....

James

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Side repeaters are going on the nose, but are also on the back of the mirrors!
I was thinking of removing the screens.
I'm pretty sure that they will find something.....


nitram38 - 12/3/09 at 04:46 PM

Thanks James, but the mirror indicators are just an aside. They were on some nice mirrors so I have connected them anyway.
I have a second pair of stick-on led jobies that will go on the nose.
The atom has them on rearward facing edge in front of the shocks. Once I have the car outside (with nose) I will play around with them until I am happy. I have an sva manual with the angles ready!

They go here on the atom:

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[Edited on 12/3/2009 by nitram38]