Chapter One

Once upon a time Bill was clearing out his loft. A dozen 'What Car' magazines, an old Roses tin full of badges, the big box of lego or meccano (delete as age appropriate), all the classics were there. Then he came across a big folder, lots of old paperwork that was fit for the shredder (or compost heap if your nitrogen/carbon ratio is messed up). But something caught his eye, a couple of old logbooks for some kit cars he used to have. "Ha haaa!" he couldn't help but let out a chuckle. 'I remember these' he thought to himself. 'One ended up in a ditch, a write off. The other I ended up using the engine and it ended up rusting away under a patchy tarp, both were chopped up or taken by the scrapman. At the 'Crown and Cock' Bill mentioned his attic adventures to Nigel. "You can get some cash for those, Bill" Bill was amused at first.

Later that night, Bill had put a couple of adverts up for the log books on the internet. He turned off the computer and went to bed. At sparrow's fart he was up to have his cornflakes and cup of steaming hot stimulants as usual. He fired up the big biege box with the Pentium 450MHz inside ('if it ain't broke!' he'd say to himself) He had a few more emails than usual, even when taking the viagra and western union scams into account.

'Your listing has been withdrawn as it was in breach of our terms and conditions'

"Oh come on, it's only a bit of paper for crying out loud!" Then he checked the rest of his messages. "Hi I saw your advert got pulled but I was interested..." They all started like that. In the end Bill sold both his logbooks within a couple of hours and half a dozen emails, and he had his money to squander of hard liquor and women

Chapter Two.

A bundle of letters thudded on the doormat, 7:30 as always 'Ken's always been a good postie' Kyle said to himself. That V5 had arrived, great! Now he could get on with getting that 'creation' on the road. Kyle loved to cut corners and save money, and this V5 was an effective time saving device. He wasn't sure about that front suspension, or the brackets on the rear axle. He knew the MOT test wouldn't pick up certain things anyway. Not long now til I'm on the road! He finished his cigarette and popped out to walk the dog.


Chapter Three (these are short chapters, aren't they?)

Rob had met up with Bill a few hours after his email. He pulled out a brown envelope from his jacket and handed it to Bill, the exchange was swift. Bill was keen to talk to Rob about his old days building cars, and was interested in any projects Rob might have. Maybe he could even pass on a few tips to this budding builder? But Rob made his excuses and left, something about his son and the doctors. Rob arrived at his lockup and hung his jacket up. He lifted up the tarpaulin and got to work.


The end?

For Bill, yes. And no, he hadn't really thrown away the money on booze. He was a good man who just wanted a new greenhouse, maybe a new garage door and to take Marcia out for a nice lunch at a national trust place.


Kyle? He got his car on the road okay, his mate at the garage even gave it a 'Pass'. It was great out on the country roads, big blue skies that went on and on. A stop for a bite to eat, a dozen or more times "nice car, mate" or "what's it got in it?" made him smile. After a failure of the front offside suspension and steering at around 65mph on the twisties, he was lucky. Only a few cracked ribs, a broken wrist and pretty bad whiplash. The lady coming the other way, she's gone. Gone.

Rob could now get his car on the road. Beautiful it was! Hayabusa powered, all the trick parts you could list. Quaife diff, a new hybrid turbo, high end ECU, a sweet custom exhaust, I could go on for hours on the spec. The build had taken over 500 hours, I mean the detail on this thing was unbelievable. Every bracket had seen a milling machine or the bed of a waterjet cutter. Powder coating, anodizing, polishing, CAD, enough carbon to fill your coal scuttle. It had taken Steve 2 years to make this car, this machine. The only issue was, Steve was devastated. He didn't know where his pride and joy was. It was stolen, trailer and all from a layby whilst he ran with his green fuel can to get some more petrol. 'How could I have been so stupid?!' Beating himself up happened all the time, 'what ifs' and 'if onlys'. Building his car had been a form of therapy for Steve, it had got him through some tough times, but now he had slipped into a deep depression. The police had done their best, the adverts and forum threads where shared readily. But that was two years ago now. Rob got out his grinder and spray gun, this 'machine' was about to vanish.

So you know who's buying that V5?

TL;dr: ringing is for ****ing ***ts

[Edited on 29-3-2014 by Benzine]

Good point well made!

Dont get me wrong i am not in favor of ringing but not everything reg as dutton dodgy

I agree, a Dutton registered as a Dutton is fine in my books

True, but anything on the road using a Dutton identity that may have recently sold on this very website could well be one of the above!

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Originally posted by theduck
Good point well made!

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Good point, well made.

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Sadly if you Believe the idiot selling the v5 the other day then there were many of LCBers after buying that v5. A very very sad state of affairs if true.

Another thing to add... some prannock in an incorrectly registered kit causes a big accident. Who's to say what could happen to the law, IVA etc? It's easy to forget how good we have it here. Yes, IVA isn't cheap, but compared to most countries and their laws on scratch builds and customised cars, we have it good. I can go into my shed, build something bonkers and get it tested so it can be used on the road, all above board. Thank flip!

I don't disagree with the sentiment of this post but the sale of a V5 is one element in a chain which in reality the SVA/IVA does very little to address, all an IVA says is that for a few hours on one day in a car's whole live it passed a test.

I would consider the following to be equally unacceptable none of which involves the sale of a V5.

- dodgy MOTs issued to unsafe vehicles that are sold on to unsuspecting drivers
- unrecordered accident damaged cars "fixed" and sold on
- cut and shuts
- vehicles that have become unsafe since the last MOT
- Kit cars that past an IVA and are now dangerous due to post test modification

I'm sure others can add more.

(Ducks and waits to be flamed)

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Originally posted by Brook_lands
I don't disagree with the sentiment of this post but the sale of a V5 is one element in a chain which in reality the SVA/IVA does very little to address, all an IVA says is that for a few hours on one day in a car's whole live it passed a test.

I would consider the following to be equally unacceptable none of which involves the sale of a V5.

- dodgy MOTs issued to unsafe vehicles that are sold on to unsuspecting drivers
- unrecordered accident damaged cars "fixed" and sold on
- cut and shuts
- vehicles that have become unsafe since the last MOT
- Kit cars that past an IVA and are now dangerous due to post test modification

I'm sure others can add more.

(Ducks and waits to be flamed)

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I've not seen the V5 sale thread or anything else that may have been posted regarding ringers, but there's many sides to these kind of issues, and people are quick to jump on the back of anyone going through the incorrect route to registration.

A few Examples that are in reality no different from ringing but accepted by the majority.

1) You pass Iva in your car, while getting to know the car and it's charecteristics you hit a high kerb and distort the chassis requiring a new front or rear end. The insurance company agrees a pay out on a parts only basis and you put the car back together, but rather than mend the chassis, you fit all the parts on too a new chassis.

2) As above but while repairing the car you decide to carry out the engine change you had planned for the winter too.

3) You built your car while learing to weld, but despite your lack of confidence in the chassis you welded, it passed Iva. But now 2 years down the line you're now a proficient welder and have since changed jobs and become a full time qualified welder. You start by changing over the wishbones that you was never happy with, but during your winter rebuild you decided to start cutting out chassis members and welding in better ones, before you know it, you've more or less built a brand new chassis.

4) You've just been to your 1st trackday, it didn't quite go as planned, as just before lunch you hit the armco pretty badly which removed the entire wishbones and wheels down the nearside, but too cut down on costs you never insured your car for track use. But this doesn't matter, you've got several lengths of steel back home in garage and your off work the following week, so rather than worry you set about the repairs and by the next weekend your back out on the road and no ones any the wiser.

So what's the real difference between any of those and someone building a car in their shed and putting a dutton plate on it.

I don't condone it by any means, but i've been around here long enough too see many things going off in just the same league as ringing.

Let's not pretend were all saints, i'm willing to bet that no ones registered car on here, is in exactly the same guise as it was when sva/iva'd, i know mine wasn't