craig1410
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 05:25 PM |
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Originally posted by JUD
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Originally posted by craig1410
I know I won't make many friends by saying this but until Hamilton learns some humility I don't think he deserves to win a championship.
He's had everything laid out on a silver platter from day one and hasn't had to work for it like everyone else.
How is that then? I don't get the "handed to him on a plate" line. Ron signed him up years ago and he has been successful at the
majority of the formula he has competed in. He is better than his team mate and was better than Alonso last year.
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I like Kimi as a raw talent (and party animal...)
Ah - Party animal - that makes him more interesting and hence more worthy of stewards decisions...?
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As for the penalty handed to hamilton I think it is correct as he clearly gained an advantage in retaining momentum by cutting out the
chicane. He may well have let Kimi past but immediately ducked through his slipstream and attacked again. He should have backed off until after the
next corner before attacking.
Assuming that he had done that, are you suggesting that the outcome would have been any different? Kimi would still have spun after passing the
Williams, and would still have stuffed it in the wall. Neither of these events were related to Hamilton - on the first Kimi was in front, on the
second Lewis was in front. Frankly the events that happened after the pass dictated the result we saw, not the pass itself.
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Let the flames commence... 
No flames - just my opinion of your opinion.
I respect your opinion but...
Hamilton walked into a good car which was made considerably better by Alonso who is well known to be good at car development. He then let his ego get
the better of him when he would have been better off learning from Fernando in his rookie year. He was certainly not better than Fernando when you
consider that they ended up with the same point despite Fernando having virtually no support from the team towards the end.
Your argument that Kimi would have spun anyway is nonsense (sorry) because the whole chain of events would have been completely different if hamilton
had not re-overtaken Kimi. Maybe Kimi would have driven straight into the Williams, who knows, but events would have certainly been different.
I only wish that Alonso had gone in with 2 laps to go and put on a new pair of inter's. He would then have beaten them all and got a well
deserved victory!
Cheers,
Craig.
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CRAIGR
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 05:25 PM |
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This thread is better than the race itself. Come on you reds
[Edited on 7/9/08 by CRAIGR]
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cjtheman
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 05:53 PM |
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Lewis Hamilton has had his Belgian Grand Prix victory overturned by the STEWARDS, handing the win to title rival Felipe Massa, who finished second on
the road.
my view is that they felt (the stewards) and not the big wigs of the fia decided to do what they done he could have stood on the brakes hamilton didnt
need to cut the track
what if there was a steward on track helping another driver it could have been fatal just to try and gain from it
cheers
colin
come on you reds lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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matnrach
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 06:01 PM |
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Who do the stewards work for?
Now let me think....
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RickRick
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 06:02 PM |
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in my view hamilton had the inside into the next corner, and would have made it stick, if rikonen hadn't hit him, that left hamilton with a
choice, carry on and t bone kimi, or cut the corner, either way he was close enough to make a justified move, wether it came off or not, so the fact
that he slowed enough to let kimi back past, then would have to pick up speed to match him seems more than fair to me, then to rub salt into the
wound kimi went and rammed hamiltons rear tyre on the very next corner. add to that the fact that kimi binned it, totaly off his own back, after a
couple more place swaps between the 2, and i dont see why there even thinking about it.
i'm not a hamilton fan, i just like the racing, whoever wins, i just hate when the fia stick there orr in when it's not needed, and it
does seem to be red car biased. i won't be watching anymore
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RickRick
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 06:14 PM |
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also email here if your p!ssed
fia@ferrari.it
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 07:03 PM |
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I wouldn't have thought it would made any difference, I think a bit of 'Jesse Owens Syndrome' Adolph Moseley cannot stand the
thought of a 'negro boy' winning the championship.
Probably the last F1 race I will watch
Sad
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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l0rd
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 07:21 PM |
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Please try to find and read the rules before you judge the stewarts decision. I believe, that the finish line being that close to the incident, may
have played a part in this. If i remember correctly, if you gain an advantage like Hammilton did, you should let the car overtake you before the end
of the lap which was 200ft away?
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akrallysport
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 07:32 PM |
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I won't pass judgement until I see the incident on replay, but I am about cross Formula 1 off my 'to-watch' list. I've been
following it since the age of 3 (so, 22 years) and I must say, MotoGP, ALMS/LMS, WTCC, BTCC has much better racing and less BS.
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matnrach
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| posted on 7/9/08 at 07:57 PM |
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The FIA put a new rule in at the start of the year to allow a 'free' engine change (no doubt due to pressure by Ferrari as they had less
confidence in their engine's reliability which has since been bourn out)
Ferrari have used these up now so they have to gain advantages any other way possible.
What with the Massa incident in Valencia (not to mention the spying fiasco - no don't mention that!) which they got off Scott free, it is just
becoming a sham.
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russbost
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 07:36 AM |
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"Easily - by picking up the slipstream which you had no right to be anywhere near due to cutting the chicane. Normally you only pick up a
slipstream by driving better then the guy in front in the preceding few corners but in hamilton's case he picked up the slipstream by cutting
the corner and then backing off just enough for Kimi to get past before picking up the slingshot round the back and re-overtaking. "
No right to be anywhere near????
He'd been in Kimi's slipstream for the past 3 corners. I wish people would base their opinions on facts & not fantasy.
I would also point out - again, as it seems to have escaped a lot of peoples notice, that Hamilton most definately gave the place back b4 the end of
the lap - there is nothing in the ruling which mentions slipstreaming. Maybe we should just ban anyone with more than a light suntan from racing in F1
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smart51
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 07:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by l0rd
Please try to find and read the rules before you judge the stewarts decision. I believe, that the finish line being that close to the incident, may
have played a part in this. If i remember correctly, if you gain an advantage like Hammilton did, you should let the car overtake you before the end
of the lap which was 200ft away?
He did.
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craig1410
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 01:12 PM |
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Originally posted by russbost
"Easily - by picking up the slipstream which you had no right to be anywhere near due to cutting the chicane. Normally you only pick up a
slipstream by driving better then the guy in front in the preceding few corners but in hamilton's case he picked up the slipstream by cutting
the corner and then backing off just enough for Kimi to get past before picking up the slingshot round the back and re-overtaking. "
No right to be anywhere near????
He'd been in Kimi's slipstream for the past 3 corners. I wish people would base their opinions on facts & not fantasy.
I would also point out - again, as it seems to have escaped a lot of peoples notice, that Hamilton most definately gave the place back b4 the end of
the lap - there is nothing in the ruling which mentions slipstreaming. Maybe we should just ban anyone with more than a light suntan from racing in F1
- Mad Max is the son of a Nazi blackshirt after all.
No need to get mad, I'm only expressing my opinion which is just as valid as yours...
My point is that if he had attempted to go round the chicane instead of driving over it he would not have been close enough to Kimi to gain a
slipstream. He should have aborted his original overtake because he didn't have the line into the corner.
In short, he took advantage of cutting the chicane - end of! IMHO of course... 
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Alan B
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 01:40 PM |
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Originally posted by craig1410
......My point is that if he had attempted to go round the chicane instead of driving over it he would not have been close enough to Kimi to gain a
slipstream. He should have aborted his original overtake because he didn't have the line into the corner.
In short, he took advantage of cutting the chicane - end of! IMHO of course...
Ok Craig, for the sake of arguement let's say he did, overall, gain some advantage..I believe he did what he thought was correct and fair by
letting KR back in front.....if it is judged that he did not give back enough of the perceived and I believe unintentional advantage then how about a
5 second penalty?...which would be seen to be taking action, yet not affect the outcome, which the whole episode clearly didn't....
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 02:26 PM |
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Originally posted by craig1410
He should have aborted his original overtake because he didn't have the line into the corner.
Are you saying lewis would've left the track even if kimi hadnt closed the door on him? As far as i can see, he drove a line into the chicane
that left him on track and nearly level with kimi. Kimi closed the door and he left the track to avoid a collision. Had the two collided it
would've been a racing incident with neither to blame, as its really just a case of calling each others bluff and neither giving in. However
lewis backed down and took a shortcut, and also the lead. He did clearly go behind kimi after that point. I cant see what he did wrong really, there
was no advantage gained. If he hadn't tried to pass there then he would've still been on kimis rear wing.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 8/9/08 at 02:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cjtheman
what if there was a steward on track helping another driver it could have been fatal just to try and gain from it
Then that would be gross negligence. You don't hang around in a run off area whilst the race is still on, this is what the safety car is for.
Run off areas are their to improve safety if a car comes off the track. LH chose to use it to avoid a collision and then gave back the advantage that
using it gained him. The result was the the positions were unchanged before they had reached the start-finish line.
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