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RGB car for sale, do you know it?
MK9R - 22/7/08 at 10:47 AM

do you know this car??

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/607660.htm

Ran by peter brown at anglesea and brands this year and ready to roll.

looking at the possibility of swapping my car for this rather than prep mine up.

[Edited on 22/7/08 by MK9R]


PAUL FISHER - 22/7/08 at 11:13 AM

If your looking to race it in the RGB,looking at the results from Anglesey I would look else where,unless you can drive like lewis Hamilton


http://www.750mc.co.uk/images/uploaded/07_Anglesey_07-08th_June_RGB.pdf


MK9R - 22/7/08 at 11:14 AM

LOL! I did look at the results, but it doesn't really tell you anything about the cars potential if you don't know the driver.

I'm sure what ever car i do it in, my final position will be no higher!!

[Edited on 22/7/08 by MK9R]


PAUL FISHER - 22/7/08 at 11:22 AM

Joking aside,if your looking at a cheap way to get into RGB,and gain some experience,it looks a cheap option,not ever seen the car though,got to worth a look though at that money.


TimC - 22/7/08 at 11:28 AM

From what I can make out, it's all about development; of both car and driver.

Look at Derek Jones' current car. If you talk to Mr Ison he'll tell you that his MK was far quicker when the BDN S2 first appeared. Last year it was developeed to the point where it was undoubtably the quickest car in the field in the wet and a clear second behind the T5 Mission in the dry. In new hands this year and with some further mods it is absolutely flying.

There's always a lot of talk about 7-types not doing well but Raw seem to manage. If you are prepared to work on set up geometry amd driver skill then I see no reason why the ST couldn't become a competitive package.

That's my thinking anyway. Yes, the Fury in particular is well proven but there are many different variations in chassis out there. just look at what Tim Hovered has done over the winter - it's not what you'd call original.


worX - 22/7/08 at 12:03 PM

Get it and stick a Fulcrum body on it...

Steve

(Or just buy a Fulcrum! and build it yourself to a budget)


StevieB - 22/7/08 at 12:33 PM

I've looked at this a million times as I want to get into a bit of motorsport and had made up my mind that the Indy just wasn't a competetive package against the competition.

Look at it this way though - for the first few seasons, any car will be more than enough as it's more about the driver than the car. At the price of that locoblade, it's a good way of getting on track in a relativey well proven chassis (look at the ST locost performances) and you can upgrade once you can outdrive the chassis (if that makes sense).

Pick a similar car with a similarly experienced driver on the grid and just race them - forget about the BDN et al.


MK9R - 22/7/08 at 12:45 PM

Cheers all. Defo going to enter next year, its just a question of do i prep my car up, or buy a car ready prepped (cheaper option). I can't just sell mine and look for one for months as i do a lot of trackdays, this one came up and maybe a chance of doing a swap. Mine is worth more that what its advertised for, but the spares included in the deal would make up for it.


worX - 22/7/08 at 01:31 PM

Is that car IRS or LiveAxle?

Steve


MK9R - 22/7/08 at 01:32 PM

mine is irs, as is the one for sale. He didn't know off the top of his head if it was a 3.38 diff or not. He said he had the info at home

[Edited on 22/7/08 by MK9R]


procomp - 22/7/08 at 02:33 PM

Hi as it stands it is ready too roll. So it will have all the mods that you will need to carry out on your own car done.

For sure it is not going to win a race outright or even a class. But as a starter it is a good starting point at a decent price. The STM chassis are not too bad and there is all sorts of re working that can be done to improve them. Although sticking a fulcrum body on is not one. That would just slow it down due to the aero problems with that particular body.

The next option on buying an existing car is a step up in the £££'s as a decent fury / STM Phoenix ect ect will be more like 8k. Decisions decisions but it will get you out there and learning the tracks and all about setup/driving/racing.

Cheers Matt


MK9R - 22/7/08 at 02:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi as it stands it is ready too roll. So it will have all the mods that you will need to carry out on your own car done.

For sure it is not going to win a race outright or even a class. But as a starter it is a good starting point at a decent price. The STM chassis are not too bad and there is all sorts of re working that can be done to improve them. Although sticking a fulcrum body on is not one. That would just slow it down due to the aero problems with that particular body.

The next option on buying an existing car is a step up in the £££'s as a decent fury / STM Phoenix ect ect will be more like 8k. Decisions decisions but it will get you out there and learning the tracks and all about setup/driving/racing.

Cheers Matt


This is what i am thinking, and its going to be no more or less competive than my current ST after i have prepped it, and at least it is a class C car, unlike mine (in current engine guise). Besides, the limiting factor will be the driver, not the car!!!


simes43 - 22/7/08 at 03:47 PM

Or alternatively.............Car For Sale


The most successful racing Locost ever built is up For Sale.

3 consecutive championships, 16 race wins, 31 podiums and numerous
fastest laps (including 2 lap records)...the results say just how
good this car would be in anyone's hands.

All serious offers will be considered and the car could be available
before the end of this season for the right price.

The car will be sold exactly as raced and could be made available to
take direct from a race meeting if you wished.

Included with the car will be numerous engine and chassis spare
parts, 4 spare wheels and wet tyres and my complete set up details
for every circuit I've raced at, along with all my 'go faster'
tricks and hints.

Anyone interested please contact me offline at
declan.mcdonnell@...


ALSO FOR SALE (separately) :

1) My second race engine (offers in the region of £2k) major refresh
in May 2008 and only used once at the recent Anglesey meeting,
finishing 1st and 2nd setting a new lap record on the way. This
engine has been used gain 7 race wins in the last 3 years including
lap records at Castle Combe and Anglesey. Full history of services
and use available to buyer.

Why pay £2.5k for an unproven race pre'd engine elsewhere when you
could get this known package and full set up (including carburettor
settings) for less money ?

2) Type 2 GT Gearbox (£300), fully compliant with the new 2008 regs
requirements, unused since a full BHG Geartech rebuild in Feb 2008.
Ready to bolt in and race.

Again anyone interested contact me offline at
declan.mcdonnell@...

I can put anyone in touch with Dec . PM me


TimC - 22/7/08 at 04:38 PM

Well, I'd make the swap in your shoes. And don't listen to Steve - the Fulcrum body is H O R R I B L E and apparently inefficient.


Bobbus - 22/7/08 at 08:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TimC
From what I can make out, it's all about development; of both car and driver.

Look at Derek Jones' current car. If you talk to Mr Ison he'll tell you that his MK was far quicker when the BDN S2 first appeared. Last year it was developeed to the point where it was undoubtably the quickest car in the field in the wet and a clear second behind the T5 Mission in the dry. In new hands this year and with some further mods it is absolutely flying.



Sorry to post with no help whatsoever to the OP, but I just need to reply to TimC's comments above. Tim - You need to re-check the results, in my first ever race in the BDN (only my third ever race) I out qualified Mr Ison and beat him in the race by around 20 seconds (the results are on the 750mc website - Donny May'05). That's not to say the car was quick - it wasn't but that was due to an aero problem that we resolved for the next season and as a result I got 2nd in the championship - not bad for a novice!

Now onto last year, again you need to recheck the results, at every circuit it was dry I ran under the lap record and was within a tenth or two of Gordon's pace. The exception was Castle Combe, where I qualified 6 seconds a lap quicker than Gordon in the wet but he was just under a second quicker than me in the dry. Though there were times when I was a full second quicker than him in the dry, for example Cadwell. It was a very close season, that's why it came down to the last race for the championship (with only 2 wet races for the entire year) and I only lost the lead of that race due to the gear lever snapping!

Sorry for the lengthy reply, but the BDN deserves a little better recognition I feel! Derek is doing a fantastic job this year and hopefully many more lap records will tumble. Not bad for a prototype - I can't wait for the final version of the car to be ready to race, shame I won't be racing it in the RGB as I've moved to Australia.

Good luck to the OP, the RGB are a great bunch and I'm sure whatever car you end up in you'll have lots of fun and always have someome to race against no matter if you're at the front or the back of the grid.

Regards,

Rob.


Bobbus - 22/7/08 at 08:13 PM

Sorry, one last thing - you guys might be interested in a video I finally got around to posting the other day. It's of a race at Brands from the middle of last season (as you can clearly see Gordon is not a second a lap quicker than me!) I'd advise watching to the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ymVSFOO9g


Jon Ison - 22/7/08 at 08:32 PM

Bob.........

1) yup you out qualified me.

2) yup you wupped me by 20 seconds.

3) yup, you forgot to mention lap number 9 the one I was 40 seconds slower than you when I stopped, jumped out, gave the fuel pump a good kicking and got back in.

4) I didnt ask to be bought into this as I think the original comments about the BDN where actually praising both the development of the car and its driver, you.


Bobbus - 22/7/08 at 08:48 PM

Sorry chap, didn't mean to offend you and sorry to TimC - I can see how my remarks are a tad defensive over a compliment!

I had completely forgotten all about the race and had only looked at the qualifying and race results. Looking at the lap chart we must have had a good race up to the point where you had the problem as we were only separated by 0.04 secs across the line!


Jon Ison - 22/7/08 at 09:00 PM

I remember it well, we shared a garage, you was a tad nervous, I have watched and followed your progress ever since with a inner smugness that I helped a little way in your 1st ever RGB race.

I also remember it well for another reason as I got one of the loudest cheers (banger racing aside) I have ever had at a motor sport event, I pulled off at redgate, jumped out, dove under car thrashing the fuel pump, got it going, got back in and drove off to a great cheer from the crowd, there is a photo somewhere of me under the car.

I expected hearing from the clerk of the course, but never did........ sneaks of and hides..........


PAUL FISHER - 22/7/08 at 09:38 PM

Great video,exciting stuff,shame it had to end that way,I would liked to have seen that race go to the line.


TimC - 23/7/08 at 09:02 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Bobbus
Sorry chap, didn't mean to offend you and sorry to TimC - I can see how my remarks are a tad defensive over a compliment!

I had completely forgotten all about the race and had only looked at the qualifying and race results. Looking at the lap chart we must have had a good race up to the point where you had the problem as we were only separated by 0.04 secs across the line!


No worries Rob. It was all meant as a compliment but was based on a bit of knowledge about how good you and the car were in the wet and also my view as a spectator from Round 1 at Mallory and also Combe. In any case, I was using it as an example of the benefit of development. I'm sure that you would have taken it a step forward in the same way as Derek has done if you'd have kept the car.

P.S. Jon - I can just imagine you kicking the car back into life!


MK9R - 23/7/08 at 09:17 AM

nice thread hijack!!

Got the bug big time now, just need to think of an excuse for the missus to why my car has changed colour lol!!!


gixermark - 23/7/08 at 09:51 AM

what a fantastic race !!

over here (ireland) we have kicked off an 'rbg' type series late year which is growing...

I actually went over to donington at the wk end there to check the rGB paddock out - GREAT bunch of lads.. definately a good place to start..

I'm trying to get the funds etc sorted to maybe make the trip for the last round of the series in Mallory to give it a go..

unless you know the circuits and set up etc. i am sure that locost would be more than capable of mixing it in the right hands....

Mark.


worX - 24/7/08 at 05:36 AM

I can just imagine what you were thinking when his T5 snatched back the opposite way!!!

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by Bobbus
Sorry, one last thing - you guys might be interested in a video I finally got around to posting the other day. It's of a race at Brands from the middle of last season (as you can clearly see Gordon is not a second a lap quicker than me!) I'd advise watching to the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ymVSFOO9g


TimC - 24/7/08 at 08:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by worX
I can just imagine what you were thinking when his T5 snatched back the opposite way!!!

Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Bobbus
Sorry, one last thing - you guys might be interested in a video I finally got around to posting the other day. It's of a race at Brands from the middle of last season (as you can clearly see Gordon is not a second a lap quicker than me!) I'd advise watching to the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ymVSFOO9g



Yeah, probably got as far as "Oh Boll"


the_fbi - 24/7/08 at 10:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Bobbus
Sorry, one last thing - you guys might be interested in a video I finally got around to posting the other day. It's of a race at Brands from the middle of last season (as you can clearly see Gordon is not a second a lap quicker than me!) I'd advise watching to the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ymVSFOO9g

Great race, be interesting to see a rear camera view too, or a video from the following car.

Great shame about the ending.


Bobbus - 24/7/08 at 11:43 PM

I don't think I even got as far as 'Oh', at the time I didn't actually know whether I was still on the throttle or on the brakes when the impact came. During the repairs it was spotted that the brake pedal was bent - it seems I was on the brakes after all!

A rear facing camera would have helped, but Gordon was alongside for half the lap for most laps so cameras either side would be needed as well... Can't win.

Tim - Round 1 at Mallory was quite disappointing. Qualified okay, but didn't want to push too hard (first day back, didn't want to bin it straight away!). Pulling out of the pits to form on the grid the car was making some very interesting noises (like a machine gun every time I touched the throttle) and not accelerating very well at all. The only options I had were to form up on the grid and hope for the best, or pull off and call it a day. I decided it would be okay, fingers crossed I could get off the line without anyone running into the back of me. I got off the line much better than I thought I could and stayed in second. Unfortunately something went wrong further down the field and the race was red flagged. So I had to try and get off the line again! You can see what happens in the race by following the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCC0gh_PKE0

Unfortunately it's not a very exciting race, but you'll be able to see why I wasn't so quick. Still managed to get under the existing lap record even with the problem, as you could imagine I think the race result would have been quite different had the problem not occurred.


Bobbus - 6/8/08 at 02:00 PM

Obviously I've got too much time on my hands at the moment, as I've found the time to upload another RGB video. This one is from Cadwell Park, in the wet. I wasn't looking forward to this race as my first time in the wet was at Thruxton the year before and I managed to spin on the first lap and generally didn't have a good time. As you can see by the video I didn't have it easy, Martin Brookes is incredible in the wet and along with the usual problems with the visor fogging up, etc my visor decided it had had enough and tried to make a bid for freedom leaving me with zero visibility and very sore eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyZreCUfb-c

Hope you all enjoy.

Rob.


frodo_monkey - 25/8/08 at 05:36 PM

Hi all,

Just a quick one to introduce myself - I've just bought the subject Locoblade! It won't be out in RGB, but I will be doing the RAF Motorsports Association Race Challenge in it as well as some other races. I'm a navigator in the RAF, based up in North Yorkshire about 10 mins from Croft. I've raced for about 3 years in a 205 GTi that I've just sold to buy the 'blade...

Talking of which, here is a few pics of what she looks like now:





Current plans involve 5 races this season (including 3 in a weekend, in a fortnights time at Cadwell Park), then a winter rebuild to give her a general tidy up - she is mostly a bit dirty and tired at the mo. I'll then think about an LSD, and possibly upgrading to Wilwood brakes all round (and replacing the offside rear wing and odd lights, obviously!). Oh yes, and I'll knoxk out the big dent in the rear

Thats about it for now, hope to be an active member on the forum! Sorry in advance for all the inane questions I'm bound to ask

Regards,

Frodo