but as said, he got mad a drove very hard, trying to make opening which where never going to be there.
stu
... did Hamilton really just say that!?
Silly silly boy! Whilst a few nations will take it in its Ali-G-Style context... many more won't!
It's because he made overtaking moves when the opportunity did not exist and he expected his competitors to help him by jumping out of the
way!
He should check out Jenson's overtaking, decisive quick and clean, he could also read Jenson's scripts on what to say after the race.
Good fun to see an F1 driver talking that straight though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he is not bigger than the F1 machine and needs to watchout......................
Di Resta is black to then???
I think it's clear he was looking for a humourous slant to his frustration but his face (even wearing his sunglasses) showed immediately he said
it that he knew it was a stupid thing to say (hence the mention of the Ali G explanation).
In fairness people zone in on it because said black. He could just as easily have said another fact such as it's because he's from
Stevenage which would have had the same implications that the stewards are singling him out but wouldn't have caused the same impact.
I imagine there'll be a fair old discussion with his PR manager though - he needs to learn that the only words you're truly the master of
are the ones you don't say.
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Originally posted by omega 24 v6
Di Resta is black to then???
EJ observed that hamilton was very aggressive - he was spot on...
young talented man, consumed with young mans red mist. He ferked up, he is just too young to know why
i think he might be getting a chat to for saying that
but as said, he got mad a drove very hard, trying to make opening which where never going to be there.
stu
he's still a young bloke which will explain two things.
1, he's still a bit hot headed on track.
2, he's not quite mastered how to shave.
I guess there's no worry about the McLaren being flimsy this year- LH gave it a serious destruction testing!
I feel a bit sorry for old LH. Quali was ruined by Massa staying out in a surpisingly slow Ferrari and not exactly jumping out the way. Okay it
wasn't obviously illegal but it was highly suspiscious that Massa decided to do that when it meant he would be out in a completely non
competitive and very slow car and just happen to be in front of LH on his hot lap. Is that really what Ferrari have resorted to??!!?!
The LH/Massa incident was interesting, Massa could have actually taken a wider route but the car in from of him slowed so he turned in to try and take
a tighter curve and Hamilton drove into him. Massa could have stayed wide and avoided the crash. Hamilton was committed so had no where to go at that
point. I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Oh well. The Maldinado one was tricky- Hamilton was a fair way down his side pod
before Maldinavo turned in on him... they could have both made the corner although it would have meant Maldinado going well off the racing line and
almost stopping...
I have to say I think he was a bit hard done by... people have done so much worse and got away with it. Doesn't make it okay but it does mean he
was harshly penalised.
I have to say LH showed his immaturity with the comment about being black though. Even if was 100% meant as a joke it was a plain stupid thing to say.
Oh well, it was a bad weekend all round for LH. But you've got to love the determination he shows!
Poor Lewis held up by a slow Ferrari as was Jenson
Certainly better than most Monaco races but.....
If the FIA are going to ask the drivers to race on a track that's patently unsuited to modern F1 cars then they can't apply the same
standards that they do at Silverstone or Monza. My take is, if you want the drivers to try to overtake there, expect crashes otherwise it's back
to the celeb infested bore fest that is usual at Monaco.
As to Hamltons comments, at first I just heard them (in kitchen getting tea) and they did sound bad but having now seen the interview it's fairly
obvious he was trying to make a joke. Another thing is that Hamilton has always been criticised for being to 'corporate', too much McLaren
speak. He has a bad day at the office, gets frustrated and shoots from the hip and still ends up taking flak, sometimes think he can't win.
I say poor Lewis... He's had a bad weekend!!!
I think that the Ali G comment was a joke but the other comments he's made were quite frankly ridiculous. Massa was a fair distance ahead in
qualifying and certainly did not block him. The clash with Massa got a penalty because every crash at the hairpin gets a penalty these days. Di resta
got one in this race and other drivers have got them in the past. Before the race he had a dig at the team for the strategy in qualifying too. With
all this complaining maybe he's gonna grow a 'tash and start talking with a brummie accent!
What's with his use of the word 'frickin' anyway? Stupid word. He's not American. Use the proper English alternative or nothing at
all.......
Phil
he was frustarted at a lot of things,that was eay to tell. first the qualifying was harsh on him as was quickest in Q2 and then his pit stop mix up
where the mechs were not ready when he entered the pit lane. then algersuare driving up the back of him.
he loves to win and i tink he knew finishing p7 was not great for his title chances so he took a few risks,but unfortunately for him,he never pulled
them off and cost another driver the chance of some decent points. there was also no room to pass massa at the hairpin.it was a daft move to try
I nearly PMSL when I heard him utter those words and even beforehand I was cringing at some of the things he was saying about the stewards and the
other drivers. He seemed to be the only person who thought he had done nothing wrong! I've never been a big fan of Hamilton but he seems to have
got worse since he lucked into the 2008 WDC.
He's as arrogant as ever but is now whiny and blames everyone but himself when things go wrong. In terms of class he comes nowhere close to
Alonso, Vettel, Button and Webber who are all capable of getting frustrated and speaking their mind but somehow they manage to sound passionate rather
than petulant. Even rookie Paul Di Resta could teach him a thing or two about charisma, charm and PR. I suspect in time Paul will show him a thing or
two on track. That might create an awkward situation given that his manager is Lewis's dad!
In my opinion he has lost his focus with the change in management following a complete lack of management. Martin Whitmarsh doesn't seem to be
able to control him in the same way as Uncle Ron did and the hollywood lifestyle is taking its toll I suspect. He could do a lot better than date his
pussycat doll too and ideally needs a strong lady behind him, ideally closer to his own age. Just look at Alonso's wife or Button's
girlfriend to see what I mean. These are real women not just ornaments although in fairness they look very good too...
Cheers,
Craig.
Over inflated twaddle, who cares??
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Originally posted by Surrey Dave
It's because he made overtaking moves when the opportunity did not exist and he expected his competitors to help him by jumping out of the way!
He should check out Jenson's overtaking, decisive quick and clean, he could also read Jenson's scripts on what to say after the race.
Good fun to see an F1 driver talking that straight though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he is not bigger than the F1 machine and needs to watchout......................
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Originally posted by BenB
I feel a bit sorry for old LH. Quali was ruined by Massa staying out in a surpisingly slow Ferrari and not exactly jumping out the way.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
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Originally posted by Surrey Dave
It's because he made overtaking moves when the opportunity did not exist and he expected his competitors to help him by jumping out of the way!
He should check out Jenson's overtaking, decisive quick and clean, he could also read Jenson's scripts on what to say after the race.
Good fun to see an F1 driver talking that straight though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he is not bigger than the F1 machine and needs to watchout......................
Jenson didn't overtake anyone for position did he? thats why he only finished 3rd! infact i don't even remember him trying to overtake Alonso them last few laps and he was on newer tyres....
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by BenB
I feel a bit sorry for old LH. Quali was ruined by Massa staying out in a surpisingly slow Ferrari and not exactly jumping out the way.
A Ferrari driver baulking a faster car during qualifying at Monaco...do you ever get that feeling of Deja Vu?
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Originally posted by craig1410
I nearly PMSL when I heard him utter those words and even beforehand I was cringing at some of the things he was saying about the stewards and the other drivers. He seemed to be the only person who thought he had done nothing wrong! I've never been a big fan of Hamilton but he seems to have got worse since he lucked into the 2008 WDC.
He's as arrogant as ever but is now whiny and blames everyone but himself when things go wrong. In terms of class he comes nowhere close to Alonso, Vettel, Button and Webber who are all capable of getting frustrated and speaking their mind but somehow they manage to sound passionate rather than petulant. Even rookie Paul Di Resta could teach him a thing or two about charisma, charm and PR. I suspect in time Paul will show him a thing or two on track. That might create an awkward situation given that his manager is Lewis's dad!
In my opinion he has lost his focus with the change in management following a complete lack of management. Martin Whitmarsh doesn't seem to be able to control him in the same way as Uncle Ron did and the hollywood lifestyle is taking its toll I suspect. He could do a lot better than date his pussycat doll too and ideally needs a strong lady behind him, ideally closer to his own age. Just look at Alonso's wife or Button's girlfriend to see what I mean. These are real women not just ornaments although in fairness they look very good too...
Cheers,
Craig.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
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Originally posted by Surrey Dave
It's because he made overtaking moves when the opportunity did not exist and he expected his competitors to help him by jumping out of the way!
He should check out Jenson's overtaking, decisive quick and clean, he could also read Jenson's scripts on what to say after the race.
Good fun to see an F1 driver talking that straight though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he is not bigger than the F1 machine and needs to watchout......................
Jenson didn't overtake anyone for position did he? thats why he only finished 3rd! infact i don't even remember him trying to overtake Alonso them last few laps and he was on newer tyres....
According to James Allen, Button couldn't attack Alonso due to the turbulent air from Alonso's car. Apparently the McLaren is particularly sensitive to it. Button said he was waiting for Alonso and Vettel to crash! Alonso probably had the psychological advantage as he was on fresher tyres and Vettel didn't need to win whereas Alonso really does need to win to keep any chance of the WDC alive. I think Alonso would have had a go and Vettel would have leapt out of the way. I think Alonso was waiting until the last 2 or 3 laps when his tyre advantage would have been maximised before having a proper go at him. It's a shame we will never know what would have happened...
meh. he had a crap weekend. he was frustrated and made mistakes.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
LOL "lucked into the 2008 WDC" if Alonso hadn't thrown his toys out the pram Lewis would had also won it in his first F1 season beating the champion at the time Alonson in the same car!!
Isn't buttons gf just a model?
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
James Allen is just a TV pundit, he's not the oracle! Lewis managed to overtake MS So JB's tactic to win the tittle is hope everyone infront crashes!
i also don't think Vettel would have jumped out the way he wanted to win Monoco and as he's got so many more points he could afford a DNF Alonso can't
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
LOL "lucked into the 2008 WDC" if Alonso hadn't thrown his toys out the pram Lewis would had also won it in his first F1 season beating the champion at the time Alonson in the same car!!
Isn't buttons gf just a model?
The way I see 2007 - even with Ron Dennis and most of the team behind their golden boy, he still ended up with the same number of points as Alonso. Hamilton is a decent driver but it's questionable in my view, if he would have got to where he is today if he had come through the hard way like most drivers on the grid. He went the X-Factor route and was groomed for McLaren.
Button's girlfriend may be a model but she is also a pretty decent athlete and according to those who spend time in the company of Jenson and her, she is way more than just a pretty face. On the other hand I can still remember Martin Brundle's attempt to interview Nicole S on a grid walk and all she did was giggle and talk nonsense. Martin just smiled and shook his head.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
James Allen is just a TV pundit, he's not the oracle! Lewis managed to overtake MS So JB's tactic to win the tittle is hope everyone infront crashes!
i also don't think Vettel would have jumped out the way he wanted to win Monoco and as he's got so many more points he could afford a DNF Alonso can't
I, and many others, see JA as much more than "just a TV pundit" as he has been immersed in F1 up close for many years and has many good sources behind the scenes. You and I can only wish we had access to F1 in the way that he has. Here is an excellent article from his website. Note that this is analysis based on facts and opinions from a variety of sources. http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/05/a-deep-dive-into-the-race-strategies-from-monaco-how-the-race-was-won/
Hamilton may have done some legitimate overtakes amongst his various illegal ones but remember he was also overtaken by MSC when he was presumably napping. Jenson would probably have won the race if it were not for the safety car coming out at just the wrong time for him.
Vettel may have tried to fight Alonso to the point of crashing but I think in the circumstance he would have been prepared to settle for 2nd because the people immediately behind him in the WDC would still be behind him. Vettel is savvy enough to pick his battles I think and is able to keep his ego in check in such a situation.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
The same James Allen that asked the Renault boss how Petrov was doing, and was told that he was on his way to the medical center then asked if petrov was out the car.. oh dear!
Ron Dennis and the Team didn't drive the car for lewis in 2007 mclaren are one of the only teams to let both drivers race in the same equal equipment, but if you want to think that it wasn't lewis's drving that beat Alonso ho hum
I have to say it is funny when DC talks about mclaren you can tell he's still bitter for being "let go" sadly for DC he was never
champion material he was always so clumsy at overtakes. so i can see why they favoured Mika if they did, again i think DC is a little bitter!
That qually incident wasn't that to favour Alonso, he will never be able to race in a team with a competitive team mate maybe thats why MSC is
struggling!
I think that the somewhat aggressive driving style of LH is a bit of fresh air throughout Formula 1. A least he adds some excitement to the sport.
His attitude off track and on track are the same. I think F1 would be much more entertaining if more drivers had his style of driving.
I thought some of his overtake attempts were admittedly very risky but at least he tried. The majority of the other drivers at Monaco merely try to
make it to end end of the race and hope they get somewhere. Personally 'waiting for others to have a accident' is pretty unforgivable in my
opinion. It a race, not a traffic jam with some stop offs at a service station.
Admittedly some of his after race comments were in-appropiate.
Surely by now everyone knows that Ron was forever using DC as a strategy-pawn to assist Mika (and then Kimi).
To be fair to DC, he was a very good driver - you don't win 13 GP's and rack up the number of championship points that he did as a
'Number 2 Driver' unless you can cut the mustard. I reckon he was a shoe-in for the WDC in 1997 had he stayed at Williams.
The only criticism I'll make of him is for staying at Mclaren when it became obvious that he was not allowed to compete on a level footing with
his team-mate.
And let's not forget the development work he did for Red-Bull. They undoubtedly benefitted from his input.
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
I have to say it is funny when DC talks about mclaren you can tell he's still bitter for being "let go" sadly for DC he was never champion material he was always so clumsy at overtakes. so i can see why they favoured Mika if they did, again i think DC is a little bitter!
That qually incident wasn't that to favour Alonso, he will never be able to race in a team with a competitive team mate maybe thats why MSC is struggling!
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Originally posted by Irony
I think that the somewhat aggressive driving style of LH is a bit of fresh air throughout Formula 1. A least he adds some excitement to the sport. His attitude off track and on track are the same. I think F1 would be much more entertaining if more drivers had his style of driving.
I thought some of his overtake attempts were admittedly very risky but at least he tried. The majority of the other drivers at Monaco merely try to make it to end end of the race and hope they get somewhere. Personally 'waiting for others to have a accident' is pretty unforgivable in my opinion. It a race, not a traffic jam with some stop offs at a service station.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
I have to say it is funny when DC talks about mclaren you can tell he's still bitter for being "let go" sadly for DC he was never champion material he was always so clumsy at overtakes. so i can see why they favoured Mika if they did, again i think DC is a little bitter!
That qually incident wasn't that to favour Alonso, he will never be able to race in a team with a competitive team mate maybe thats why MSC is struggling!
Okay, one more response...
DC was too much of a gentleman (allowed Mika to pass after a gentleman's agreement in Melbourne '98) and by the time he grew some balls such that he could speak up for himself he had lost his edge. I thing DC deserved a WDC just as much as JB, perhaps more. The difference was that DC had Mika(and Ron) against him whereas JB only had to beat Rubens. Both had dominant cars at the time.
On the Alonso/Hamilton incident, it is summed up well in this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/hamilton-vs-alonso-a-fastpaced-tale-of-jealousy-and-intense-sporting-rivalry-460442.html
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Originally posted by scootz
Surely by now everyone knows that Ron was forever using DC as a strategy-pawn to assist Mika (and then Kimi).
To be fair to DC, he was a very good driver - you don't win 13 GP's and rack up the number of championship points that he did as a 'Number 2 Driver' unless you can cut the mustard. I reckon he was a shoe-in for the WDC in 1997 had he stayed at Williams.
The only criticism I'll make of him is for staying at Mclaren when it became obvious that he was not allowed to compete on a level footing with his team-mate.
And let's not forget the development work he did for Red-Bull. They undoubtedly benefitted from his input.
Craig, just a quote from that linked article.. that word again petulant
"He made Alonso look like the rookie in Canada, where the Spaniard fell off the road four times trying to keep up, and he so rattled him while
winning in America a week later that a petulant Alonso sped down the main straight on one lap so close to the pit wall that his team, which refused to
tell Hamilton to move over, was sprayed with grit"
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
See thats the difference with say DC and Lewis, he didn't want to just be a #2 even though it was in his first year
DC knew he wasn't as fast as Mika so settled for being a #2 and staying with a team, and maybe he would luck-out and win the tittle!
I can't say i read any papers, as how do you know what is true/false i just go with what i think and see at the time and make my own mind up! rather than going by what someone else thinks and has said! you do seem to quote a lot of what other people say or think
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
like my compadre says with the 2009 redbull you could put anyone in that car and they would rack up podium/points thats what DC did.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
See thats the difference with say DC and Lewis, he didn't want to just be a #2 even though it was in his first year
DC knew he wasn't as fast as Mika so settled for being a #2 and staying with a team, and maybe he would luck-out and win the tittle!
I can't say i read any papers, as how do you know what is true/false i just go with what i think and see at the time and make my own mind up! rather than going by what someone else thinks and has said! you do seem to quote a lot of what other people say or think
DC was often faster than Mika actually but ended up in 2nd place because of team orders. If you read a bit more and presumed a bit less then you would know this.
As for me quoting a lot, I'm afraid this is because unfortunately I can't go to every grand prix and be at every press conference and interview personally so I've got to go by what those who were at these occasions noted down in their notebooks and recorded on camera and dictaphone. People like James Allen for example or other journo's who actually spoke to the drivers and teams. Anyone can "make up their own mind" about stuff but I think it is better for it to be based at least loosely on facts.
By the way in your last post you referred to the dominant 2009 Red Bull but I presume you meant the Brawn. Here's the quote for you...
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
like my compadre says with the 2009 redbull you could put anyone in that car and they would rack up podium/points thats what DC did.
^^^ If you say so... 
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Originally posted by craig1410
^^^ If you say so...
Well I never, and there was me thinking Nicole Scherzinger was Hamiltons mum.......
G
He certainly needs his mum then he wouldn't have to go crying to the cameras...
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Originally posted by craig1410
He certainly needs his mum then he wouldn't have to go crying to the cameras...