zxrlocost
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 08:26 AM |
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of course eddie infact your name would go quite well as the test driver eve keneve and crazie eddie its got a ring to it
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Aico
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 09:47 AM |
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Is anyone going to a trackday within the next month? The thing is I don't think I can wait till spring. I've thought about getting a
kitcar for about 1-2 years now. Now I actually have the money and sold all my normal cars to get a kitcar. The thing that disappointed me about normal
cars is basicly the repair and tunings costs. I just seem to break down any car. Anyway I should be able to get a ride here in Holland at the MK
importer. This is my last hope for Holland. If that doesn't go through then the only option is to go to The UK. If I make the costs then it
would be nice if it was on a trackday. ANyone going to one within the next month or so?
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Jubal
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 10:31 AM |
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If my car is ready then I have a day booked at Oulton Park on 19th Jan. It will be the first outing after the R1 engine has been fitted and many other
things changed so all may not go to plan but you'd be welcome to come and have a ride. It will be very cold.
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Crazy Eddie
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 05:37 PM |
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My Blade is booked in at Oulton too but on 25th Jan and 28th Feb if that is any help 
Edited to add: Jubal are you going on 25th Jan as well?
[Edited on 19/12/07 by Crazy Eddie]
[Edited on 19/12/07 by Crazy Eddie]
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Aico
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 06:59 PM |
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Is that close to Liverpool? Could you pick me up at the airport?
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Crazy Eddie
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 07:09 PM |
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It's about 45mins away from Liverpool airport and about 25mins away from Manchester Airport.
Unfortunately as far as my travelling goes I will be coming from the other way and at a starting time of 830ish I'm always running late as is
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Jubal
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 08:07 PM |
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quote:
Edited to add: Jubal are you going on 25th Jan as well?
I am, I'll see you there! But I am much busier on the 25th, sharing the car etc. However, if the OP gets himself to Oulton then I'm sure
between us we can sort a ride or two out. I know of one other BEC going but it's a Sprint R single seater.
ETA: You are booked on the 29th Feb BTW...I might do that day as well if things pan out.
[Edited on 19/12/07 by Jubal]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 08:14 PM |
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I best do a pre shake down on your car derek
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Jubal
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 08:47 PM |
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Indeed. Or get it right first time 
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Kriss
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 10:37 PM |
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Jubal - did I mee t you with Chris @ the BEC centre?
shakedowns in a kit car sound scary - prob not if you do it each week though i guess
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Jubal
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 11:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Kriss
Jubal - did I mee t you with Chris @ the BEC centre?
shakedowns in a kit car sound scary - prob not if you do it each week though i guess
I don't know if we met. It's the whole not knowing your real name or what you look like that's stopping me answering that question?
I was there a couple of times recently.
BTW, every drive in your kit is a shakedown. Something is always working its' way loose Or is it just my car?
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 19/12/07 at 11:32 PM |
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yes you met
it will work right first time derek
for me
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lococost
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| posted on 20/12/07 at 09:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Aico
Is anyone going to a trackday within the next month? The thing is I don't think I can wait till spring. I've thought about getting a
kitcar for about 1-2 years now. Now I actually have the money and sold all my normal cars to get a kitcar. The thing that disappointed me about normal
cars is basicly the repair and tunings costs. I just seem to break down any car. Anyway I should be able to get a ride here in Holland at the MK
importer. This is my last hope for Holland. If that doesn't go through then the only option is to go to The UK. If I make the costs then it
would be nice if it was on a trackday. ANyone going to one within the next month or so?
Yeah, you should get a ride at Haselier. I think he still has a Busa in the spec R chassis. Ok, maybe he won't let you drive yourself (dunno),
but he should be able to give you 'the blur'
As a second Dutch company, have you tried Speedon? I'm sure they'll be as helpfull as Haselier.
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Aico
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| posted on 20/12/07 at 02:06 PM |
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I only know of 4 companies here in Holland. Speedon was the first I went to, but no joy. After much asking etc I got a ride in the trike, but not I
ride I asked for. Basicly 0-60 and that's it. Yes it was fast, but any kitcar is fast in that range. I asked for 50-100 on the highway, braking
and cornering. I got nothing of the above which I asked for up front. So I couldn't decide if I wanted it, thinking about the unstability of a
trike. Then he blames me for not making up my mind and not buying the trike or any other kitcar. No more testdrives, if you can even call it that. I
didn't experience much to make up my mind and a few months later I got the money needed so I contacted Furysportscars.
Seemed nice, but on the day we wanted to meet I called him that I was underway and he suddenly gets frustrated with me out of the blue. He said he
talked to speedon and he told bad things about me about only taking testdrives and not being serious about getting one. While it was only 1 sort of
testdrive. The kitcarworld in Holland is very small. The Fury dealer treated me like I was a conman, he even used the words "I don't like
to be abused". That's a pretty heavy reaction. For him it's a hobby that's gone out of control so he started a business in
kitcars. Driving a kitcar is a hobby for him and taking me as a passenger for 1 day suddenly makes it abuse?
So then I went to Westfield and I got a ride, but only below 6k RPM because of the cold weather. This also didn't answer my questions. All the
kitcardealers are on the other side of Holland so driving there takes like 2 hours average. I forgot about the MK dealer and it seems I can get a ride
there so thanks for the tip. We shall see how that goes. I'll let you guys know. Looking at my past experiences my hopes are not high. I'm
already having nightmares about getting at the MK dealership and then get send away because I won't buy the car or a kit.
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Jubal
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 04:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Aico
I'm already having nightmares about getting at the MK dealership and then get send away because I won't buy the car or a kit.
TBH, I can sympathise with them a little bit. I bet there are loads of tyre kickers out there. There are in our game and I only sell computer networks
and phone systems!
Not that I'm accusing you of being one, but it must be hard for these chaps to sift the wheat from the chaff. You perhaps need to motivate them
a little better than you have done? Maybe offer to do a deal on the day if they do what you want regards the test ride/drive?
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TimC
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 08:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jubal
quote:
Originally posted by Aico
I'm already having nightmares about getting at the MK dealership and then get send away because I won't buy the car or a kit.
TBH, I can sympathise with them a little bit. I bet there are loads of tyre kickers out there. There are in our game and I only sell computer networks
and phone systems!
Not that I'm accusing you of being one, but it must be hard for these chaps to sift the wheat from the chaff. You perhaps need to motivate them
a little better than you have done? Maybe offer to do a deal on the day if they do what you want regards the test ride/drive?
I take your point... actually, no I don't really. These people are supposed to be in the business of selling. I can't 'kin stand
bad attitude from people who are supposed to be selling stuff. Kit cars are not cheap - if you want to mull over the options, take your time and make
a decision when you're ready to then that's your perogative.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 09:06 PM |
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yeah, but he is asking for a 100mph trip in a kitcar on the public highway. What company will happily agree to breaking the law? Let alone with no
gauentee of a sale.
I can see where the guy is coming from, but I can't help feeling as I read more, that he wants the worlds fastest car, with 100% reliabilty for
a few grand, and a months free test drive at the 'ring thrown in during the middle of winter to check if it's the right thing before
commiting to anything.
The real world is, that aint gonna happen, the kit car will not be the fastest thing out there unless your talking silly money, it wil definatly not
be reliable (what stupidly fast car is?) and it certainly won't be cheap.
I dont mean to be rude, but I just wanted to be realistic other wise the OP will be dreaming all the way to every kit car manufacture in the UK, not
buying anything and so wasting both their and his time and money.
I think asking nicely for a passenger ride on a trackday is your best bet, but being the UK it will not have the long straights you mention.
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TimC
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 09:15 PM |
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In fairness, I haven't read the whole thread - I'll reel my neck back in!
'Night folks!
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Jubal
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 10:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TimC
In fairness, I haven't read the whole thread - I'll reel my neck back in!
'Night folks!
I don't know what you do for a living Tim but if it involves trying to qualify where to spend your limited time to best benefit without having
it wasted you would have understood first time round.
It is not a potential buyer's right to take as much time and resources as he wants. He can ask, and if convincing he may receive, but he cannot
demand. That's not attitude, it's just business.
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Jubal
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| posted on 21/12/07 at 10:12 PM |
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quote:
I think asking nicely for a passenger ride on a trackday is your best bet, but being the UK it will not have the long straights you
mention.
I am sure he'll be way beyond a ton on the way into Island bend though!
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TimC
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| posted on 22/12/07 at 09:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jubal
I don't know what you do for a living Tim but if it involves trying to qualify where to spend your limited time to best benefit without having
it wasted you would have understood first time round.
What an absurd comment to make. As it happens, I've spent the majority of the last ten years apportioning finite resources in a planning
environment. This has in no way affected my view that any seller worth his/her salt will work hard to understand the needs of a potential buyer and
make every effort to match the benefits (as opposed to features) of a particular product choice to these needs.
If the potential buyer has no BEC experience and is not sure if it is the right route for him, I hardly think that a rapid accelerative run to legal
speeds is too much to ask.
[Edited on 22/12/07 by TimC]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 22/12/07 at 10:34 AM |
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I now charge £10 for a demo ride
you get it knocked off if you buy a car
Im now in this line of business and slowly but surely more people are coming to my unit and they all want to go out in the car there really interested
theyve got the money there mates told them etc etc
its the only way forward Im afraid
if your genuinely interested youll pay the £10
its unfair to people who have paid me to work on there car that I spend half that day taking people out in a car unless like I say the genuine
interest is there
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TimC
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| posted on 22/12/07 at 10:43 AM |
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Actually - I think that's a nice idea Chris.
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Aico
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| posted on 22/12/07 at 11:35 AM |
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I agree that as a business you are free to do what you want. Give a testdrive or not is up to them, but I really dislike the bad talk about me.
Especially since it's not true. In general it's not nice to talk about and to people that way and it's basicly offensive. To do this
as a business against (potential) customers doesn't improve the relationship. Even if I don't buy a car from them, but from the UK the car
would need repairs, parts etc. If I don't need to I won't go to them anymore. Not willing to give a testdrive if I don't buy a
kitcar or a kit from them is fine. I'm only asking and not demanding, but you should still treat customers with some respect.
Kitcars are expensive. You should not forget it's like 6k Pounds for a car simply for fun. Pure luxeryproduct with no other meaning that to
drive it. You must be crazy to get one, but I am one of those people. In Holland the prices are even higher. For a 5k BEC in the UK you pay about 8k
in Holland for the exact same car. This is mainly the reason I haven't bought one here in Holland. It's just the big margin the companies
use here. I'm better of importing it myself and I already done a few normal cars from the UK. Apart from transport it's mainly paperwork
so it's very easy. This way I save about 2k Pounds. A no brainer.
What is a kitcar like? There is no way comparing it to any other car. The only way to know is to have a drive in it. As a passenger is good enough. I
definatly understand they won't let me drive and I even ask for only a passenger ride. Make no mistake the speedlimit is no problem for them.
With the 2 drives that I got they went up to 70mph or so within the city and I didn't even ask for it. I even dislike doing that looking at the
dangers. The speedlimit on the highway in Holland is 80mph. A run there to 90-100mph is without dangers. I can even pay for the ticket since
it's affordable.
Anyway I'll just buy one from the UK and be done with it. There are 2 choices at the moment on Pistonheads that I have. A CEC Fury or a BEC
Westfield. The CEC has a turbo so no lack of power. The BEC has around 140hp. Has anyone driven both a Fury and a Seven type car? Is there a
difference in driving experience? Is the Fury less extreme because you are/feel more protected/sealed by the car? How about the power? If you are
using semi-slick tyres will you be able to use the power of the turbo CEC? It has around 260hp. The final gear is very long a 3.1.
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Jazz
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| posted on 22/12/07 at 02:34 PM |
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I am used to driving cars of 400bhp too, I had a subaru P1 running at 350bhp until I blew it up at Elvington after just being remapped it was running
in high 12s then, but the engine let go! I put a 2.5 block in it, bigger turbo all the extras etc... cost me thousands ! tunning and mapping.
I reached a point where the expense was getting rediculous, so I decided to go and buy myself a BEC with a blade engine. I haven't driven my
BEC yet as it is with Chris having work done on it. I don't expect it to be as quick on the top end, but acceleration wise I should imagine it
will be quite similar upto a ton. If it is ready for any of these dates mentioned above for Oulton Park, I shall be there with it. I didn't
bother with a test drive simple reason there has been lots of times that I have seen on a track how the BEC's have handled and accelerated, I
thought I would just get myself a reasonable priced 2nd hand one and get use to the car over 12 mths, because it is a totally different drive to what
I have been use to in the past. Once I get use to the power and handeling of the BEC, it will be going back to Chris for an engine upgrade. I am sure
that the power will be enough for the tracks here in the UK and I'm not out to win any championshipships just to attend as many track days as
possible and have some fun for a reasonable price. I'm sure that a tenner for a test drive in Chris's car will be money well spent ! Look
forward to seeing you if you can make it over to Oulton Park. If my cars not ready by then I will be a spectator armed with my camera and I will
gladly give anyone a tenner for a go round the track
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