livelee
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 08:59 AM |
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Classic Sports Car Club - Magnificent Sevens
http://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/magnificentsevens.htm
Has anybody raced in this? Thoughts / opinions?
Many Thanks
Dan
[Edited on 19/8/10 by livelee]
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TimC
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 11:04 AM |
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I blogged about it a while back.
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livelee
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 11:17 AM |
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Cheers, nice blog entry.
I've looked at the lap times and the cars competing. I'll be in Class C with my fairly standard 2.0L Zetec. Seems you need a Caterham
and a large budget. Do people with MK, Mac etc not race or are their other series where they race? Imagine Hispania in this years F1. That will be
me. lol.
Thanks
Dan
[Edited on 19/8/10 by livelee]
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livelee
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 11:24 AM |
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And yes I am in a similar (but CEC) situation to you. My car wont fit into the 750mc kits series due to running TB on the engine.
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TimC
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 11:57 AM |
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To be honest, I'm only aware of four MKs racing - three in the North West Championship and one in 750MC kits. I've never seen a Mac#1
racing.
The slowest cars are very slow in the turns from what I could see and the fastest cars are ballistic. I'm sure you'll find people to race
with.
I should say that since that blog entry its become clear to me that my car certainly would be eligible for RGB which is really good news. Mag7s does
seem to be very good VFM though, and I'd be tempted to try to form a two car team as concentrating that hard for 50 minutes takes some building
up to I suspect!
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procomp
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 12:24 PM |
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Hi
Yep we have run three of our LA Golds in the sevens. That's with 750 kit spec 1800 zetecs with 170 HP. It's fair to say that unless you
spend something like 50-60k on a motor you are not going to win out right.
However we have had some promising results with a 3rd in class and 5th overall.
With something like a good reliable 200HP similar results should be achievable with a good driver OR two if double driving. To finish higher your
looking at 260 + Hp and a 6 speed sequential G.box as per the high spec R500's.
There is more and more Kit racers slowly moving over to the Sevens championship due to the 750 Kit car championship being left with no sensible
regulations or scrutineering to stop the cheating. More than a few have sold Phoenixes and switched to Westfields or converted phoenixes in to
Strikers to compete. But most are aiming for the 200+Hp class.
There's also the north west sports cars championship or what ever it's called ( sponsors name on championship ) This is where tin tops and
specials run side by side and again there is no real regulations and they are using slicks. This would give a better chance of an overall win for the
more basic kitcars as the lap times are relatively slow considering the regulations being more open Ie they are only on the same times as the RGB
times on 048 yoko's. Most of there rounds are based more around oulton and croft occasionally Mallory and Cadwell. Where as the Sevens is more
mid to south based with outings to Spa. There's also the SEMSEC championship where highly modded kit can run but there champ rounds are based
purely at Lyden and Brands hatch and with entry fees of £310 per race at lyden for very few laps it really just doesn't add up to being sensible
compared to other's entry fees in comparison for £ per laps remembering the seven are 40 min races with one or two drivers. with compulsory pit
stop for driver change or 1 min stop. remembering there is no refueling allowed during the race so a large tank needs to be taken in to
consideration.
Any Q's i can pass on some details for the guy who is running the Sevens championship.
Cheers Matt
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procomp
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 12:29 PM |
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Oh yea forgot about the Welsh championship. Sure Tim knows more about that than me. Only ever setup one or two cars for that championship and
don't really have any knowledge of classes or regs. seem to remember thinking you would need to lap at around 1 min at Pembrey any quicker and
they ballast you up or something similar. But a good Kit with 170Hp will lap Pembrey at around 1 Min as a guideline.
Cheers Matt
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Andy D
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| posted on 19/8/10 at 04:12 PM |
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..and, dont forget the NSSCC. Northern Saloon & Sports car championship. It's as it says.. a mix of cars, with classes for slicks and 1bs.
My son is currently racing his Honda Civic in the 1600cc class (D) There are a few kits racing too. Caterhams, Westfields, the odd F27, Fury, and
Ginnettas etc..
We race mainly at Croft, but there are away races at Cadwell, Mallory, Knockhill and in the past, Oulton and Anglesey.
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 12:14 PM |
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Good info there Matt, many thanks.
Being based on the IOW I think any Northern championships would be out. The results you've managed with the 1.8 Zetec is encouraging, I'd
imagine my 2.0 to be around 170bhp.
The cost of upgrading my car to get closer to the front would pay for a Locost so that might be another option I should look at. Keeping my existing
car for trackdays and faster laps.
For interest what do your cars lap Brands Indy @?
Cheers
Dan
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TimC
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 12:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by livelee
For interest what do your cars lap Brands Indy @?
In case Matt misses it, Steve Lansley in his LA Gold is in the low 54s.
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 12:26 PM |
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Cheers. It's a target to aim at.
Regarding the other kits racing, I guess it's either the people buying them are not racers or the chassis are not good enough to be
competitive.
[Edited on 20/8/10 by livelee]
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progers
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 01:04 PM |
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Just for clarity, the 54s time is for a 750MC kitcar series spec car. The locost lap record is 58.5 secs.
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TimC
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 01:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by progers
Just for clarity, the 54s time is for a 750MC kitcar series spec car. The locost lap record is 58.5 secs.
Ah, go on Mr Modesty, you might as well mention your own 50.46 record while you're posting.
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progers
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 01:24 PM |
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Nah far too modest me
I was going to mention that fireblade engined seven is capable of doing high 52's though, not bad for a farty 900cc engine 
- Paul
[Edited on 20/8/10 by progers]
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 03:37 PM |
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Hi
52's ain't bad. But allow the kits to shed the extra 35 KG of regulation min weight and fit an ATB. They would be knocking on the door of
51's.
Cheers Matt
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 03:42 PM |
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What do your Golds weigh Matt? so with an LSD you think they would make the 51s?
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 03:56 PM |
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Hi
As a CEC they can be built as low as 480KG engine dependent. kits require a 535KG minimum weight +success ballast for the zetec class.
The ATB or plate diff depending on exact application of use will make a big difference to corner exit / following straight speed.
Cheers Matt
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:03 PM |
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Interesting, so you're circa 315/320bhp / tonne in kit spec and that's good enough to deliver a 54 @ brands.
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:12 PM |
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Hi
Yep but if you take a look at Kit results i am pretty sure you'll find that a 54 is a time taken from a race situation with traffic. Where as
Paul is quoting RGB lap records. So kits with the zetec are capable of achieving 53.3 in Kit regulation spec.
Cheers Matt
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:20 PM |
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Cheers, yes I am interested in times relevant to cars similar to what mine will eventually be. BEC does not interest me.
So I now need a low 53. Jolly good. 
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TimC
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:24 PM |
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What about a 210 BHP red top Gold with Alcon brakes - what would you expect that to lap in?
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:32 PM |
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Well that should be circa 400/tonne. Based on what we have been talking about here and the laptimes in the Mag7 i'd expect a high 50 or a low
51.
Matt has the front end geo on your Golds changed much since that one was built (2002)
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:42 PM |
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Hi
Ehhh what we talking about. Is this a specific car !!!
Cheers Matt
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livelee
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:45 PM |
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1979702.htm
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procomp
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| posted on 20/8/10 at 04:58 PM |
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Hi
Oh yes there's been just a few updates since then. The whole chassis rear suspension front suspension. That is one of the very early ones sold
2000.
Good engine but brakes are just a little overkill. That particular car would not be on the pace with one of today's versions. Still a very good
starting point as it would save waiting for me to find time to build one. Modding that to later spec would be quicker.
Cheers Matt
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