02GF74
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 09:13 AM |
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MOT fail - CV gaiter
Bad news (for me, not you  ) , is that main driver Volvo 850 failed MOT and 1 item is N/S CV gaiter split.
I've ordered both inner and outer (didn't realise there was two) so I should have the parts.
This is my first time to have to replace one of these so how big a job is it? I.e. how much stuff needs to be undone; also I've seen these
gaiter stretcher type things that presumably slip the gaiter of over some gubbins to avoid taking it apart - is it worth getting one of those?
Any advice, tips etc. appreciated. 
(and I need 2 new tyres on the front AGAIN!!!! 
^^^^^ just checked on ebay where I got my pair of yoko from and it was Mar 2010 ..... so got 7 k miles out of the tyres!!!! Now I am quite very pissed
off. <- x infinity!! 
(tyres worn on inside so tracking needs looking at)
(FREE - anyone want pair of 205/50R16 W tyres, loadsa tread but not quite enough on inside - be fine for hooning around on track or donuts.)
[Edited on 4/5/11 by 02GF74]
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snakebelly
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 09:26 AM |
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youll be wanting one of these, much easier than the slip over type, if done properly just as good, fitted one to my merc and it outlasted the vehicle,
over 3 years.
Split universal cv gaiter
[Edited on 4/5/11 by snakebelly]
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 09:34 AM |
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You can buy little cones that are much cheaper than the CV boot expanders. These fit over the joint after youve greased it up, and the boot slides
over it and stretches the further you go.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 09:40 AM |
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Most likely to be the outer CV, the inners have a much easier life.
Generic instructions:
Undo the big hub nut (will require LARGE breaker bar and someone to stand on brake pedal, or a decent air impact gun). Disconnect bottom ball joint
from the upright. You may need to disconnect anti-roll bar to allow wishbone to drop far enough. You might be lucky and have enough room to pull the
strut out far enough to withdraw the CV from the hub, or you may need to disconnect the track rod end and/or brake caliper.
If you have bought "stretchy" gaiters then they will come with a plastic cone. In this case simply remove the old gaiter and fit the new
one, though it is hard work using the basic plastic cones. The air tools that expand the gaiter are much easier, but very expensive for a one off.
If you don't have stretchy gaiters, then you will need to remove the CV joint from the driveshaft - a messy and awkward operation. There will
probably be a circlip buried in the grease that retains the driveshaft in the CV joint. This will need to be released, and the CV joint driven off
the end of the shaft (copper mallet is useful for this).
The CV kit will come with a sachet of black grease, squirt this inside the CV, then fit the metal retaining clips that should have come with the new
CV, and re-assemble. Torque big hub nut up to recommended value - this is important. Usualy there is some kind of anti-rotation device on the nut
(split pin, peined edge etc) - be sure to refit/reset this.
Note that the molybdenum grease is a bugger to get out of clothes; overalls or very old clothes are needed!
I absolutely can not recommend the split gaiters, seen far too many of these fail very shortly after fitting.
[Edited on 4/5/11 by MikeRJ]
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snakebelly
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 10:00 AM |
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secret of the split gaiters is cleanliness, as long as you are fastidious about cleanliness thye are fine
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BenB
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 10:57 AM |
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Cobblers [IMHO]. I fitted a split gaiter (Sticky boot original no less) to my tintop. I was super careful to keep everything clean, changed my gloves
before handling the split boot etc and yet a month later it had still split open, crapped it's moly grease everywhere and knackered the CVJ.
they're the work of the devil. they tempt you with their lazy ways then repay you with disloyalty 
I believe the stretchy ones are quite good though sometimes it's difficult to stretch the boot over the cone.
The biggest PITA aspect of changing the boot when I finally did it properly (ie take off the CVJ etc etc) was trying to get the nut off the TRE
balljoint as it was rusted up and seized to buggery and back.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 11:02 AM |
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Split gaitor = trouble
You should have got a stretch boot and fitting cone, dawdle to fit once you get the knack.
In the longer term you may well eventually end up fitting a new CV anyway, CV joints don't tolerate any dirt or moisture ingress or loss of
lubricant.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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adithorp
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 11:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Split gaitor = trouble
You should have got a stretch boot and fitting cone, dawdle to fit once you get the knack.
In the longer term you may well eventually end up fitting a new CV anyway, CV joints don't tolerate any dirt or moisture ingress or loss of
lubricant.
BT is for once wrong!
Split gaiter = complete C R A P
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 12:20 PM |
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Never had a split boot that works, despite cleaning and degreasing the joints afterwards with alcohols etc. Stretchy boots are £7 a pop and can be put
on with a bit of spare plastic sheet cut into a cone to stretch the boot over.
quote:
If you have bought "stretchy" gaiters then they will come with a plastic cone.
None of mine have come with one, I had to make the cone.
[Edited on 4/5/11 by coyoteboy]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 01:27 PM |
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My cone cost a whole 3 quid ---- love to have one of the pneumatic boot stretchers but .........................
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tony-devon
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 03:24 PM |
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know the feeling about tyres
a month back wife took the car to have 2 new 18" tyres fitted to fron of the daily drive
I told her to get tracking done, but she forgot and only asked afterwards, too late then as they needed the car to be driven and the suspension
settled
this was only discussed this weekend when I noticed as she parked that the insides of both front tyres are through to the inner bits
850 miles from a pair of front tyres, really not good 
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 03:57 PM |
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Gunson Trakrite best thing since sonic screwdrivers.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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adithorp
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
My cone cost a whole 3 quid ---- love to have one of the pneumatic boot stretchers but .........................
Pnumatic boot stretcher is great fun and well worth the money. I got mine very cheap though in a deal for 20 boots and the tool. The sale of boots
more than paid for it and it saves somuch time over even a stretch boot and cone. You could do someone serious harm with one of them though.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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stevegough
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:21 PM |
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Anyone who has had a Passat will know about these CV boots - they don't last long at all. I think I had to replace at least one at every MOT (I
had one for 4 years and the other Passat for 2 years). Consequently, I have replaced about 8 of these bleeding things and one on a Primera - I once
tried the split / tongue + groove superglue type - as quite a few on here have already said - they are crap. Avoid!
It is a bit of a pig of a job, but quite do-able for a diy man. Apart from the split type, I have always taken the CV apart to do it - mine had a
circlip in the end of the shaft which can be difficult to compress as you re-assemble the CV - don't know if Vollly vos are the same.
I would be surprised if you needed to replace the inner ones.
Good luck! (by the way - the Passat hub was held on with a huge allen-key bolt - check if your VV has a similar special tool reqd before you start.
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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pgtips
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
Anyone who has had a Passat will know about these CV boots - they don't last long at all. I think I had to replace at least one at every MOT (I
had one for 4 years and the other Passat for 2 years). Consequently, I have replaced about 8 of these bleeding things and one on a Primera - I once
tried the split / tongue + groove superglue type - as quite a few on here have already said - they are crap. Avoid!
It is a bit of a pig of a job, but quite do-able for a diy man. Apart from the split type, I have always taken the CV apart to do it - mine had a
circlip in the end of the shaft which can be difficult to compress as you re-assemble the CV - don't know if Vollly vos are the same.
I would be surprised if you needed to replace the inner ones.
Good luck! (by the way - the Passat hub was held on with a huge allen-key bolt - check if your VV has a similar special tool reqd before you start.
DO NOT use the stretch cv boots on the Passat. Get the proper ones from VW. They come with the proper hard plastic ones in a box with the new circlip
and the allen bolt. Yep the cv joint has to be seperated, but thats the nly way to fit the hard plastic cv boots.
How do I know? I work in a garage, and we replace loads of them, but we only use the VW ones.
[Edited on 4-5-11 by pgtips]
If I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for the price I told her I bought them for...
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stevegough
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pgtips
quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
Anyone who has had a Passat will know about these CV boots - they don't last long at all. I think I had to replace at least one at every MOT (I
had one for 4 years and the other Passat for 2 years). Consequently, I have replaced about 8 of these bleeding things and one on a Primera - I once
tried the split / tongue + groove superglue type - as quite a few on here have already said - they are crap. Avoid!
It is a bit of a pig of a job, but quite do-able for a diy man. Apart from the split type, I have always taken the CV apart to do it - mine had a
circlip in the end of the shaft which can be difficult to compress as you re-assemble the CV - don't know if Vollly vos are the same.
I would be surprised if you needed to replace the inner ones.
Good luck! (by the way - the Passat hub was held on with a huge allen-key bolt - check if your VV has a similar special tool reqd before you start.
DO NOT use the stretch cv boots on the Passat. Get the proper ones from VW. They come with the proper hard plastic ones in a box with the new circlip
and the allen bolt. Yep the cv joint has to be seperated, but thats the nly way to fit the hard plastic cv boots.
How do I know? I work in a garage, and we replace loads of them, but we only use the VW ones.
[Edited on 4-5-11 by pgtips]
Sadly, my days with the Passat are long gone - I was only replying to the 'poster' as he was asking how difficult it was. For the record,
I never tried the stretchy type. And whoever heard of a mechanic called PGtips, anyway?
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevegough
And whoever heard of a mechanic called PGtips, anyway?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 04:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
My cone cost a whole 3 quid ---- love to have one of the pneumatic boot stretchers but .........................
Pnumatic boot stretcher is great fun and well worth the money. I got mine very cheap though in a deal for 20 boots and the tool. The sale of boots
more than paid for it and it saves somuch time over even a stretch boot and cone. You could do someone serious harm with one of them though.
Confess you use it for alien abuctions ;-)
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Liam
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 07:39 PM |
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Regarding the tracking - you dont seem to be too far away from Wheels in Motion near Watford. Awesomest place in the world for alignment. According to
the gospel of the Omega Owners Forum, they're pretty much the only place in the country that does a proper job, so we all take our meegas there.
I dare say they can work their wonders on your Volvo, or any other car too - was a bunch of exotica last time I was their including an F40 - mmmmmmmm.
They are such a level of guru-ness they have even developed revised settings (compared to the manufacturers standard settings) for cars based on
experience and taking into account the fact that on older cars things have settled a bit since the factory. The guy even could be arsed to move my
front subframe slightly as it wasn't quite put on straight.
Totally cured the catastrophic inner-edge tyre wear problem my meggy had. All that for only 70-something squid. A total world apart from the local
alignment place I initially tried who had the same super duper laser 4-wheel alignment kit, but just got a monkey to undo the camber adjusters and hit
the wheel with a hammer so that the camber value went from borderline one side of the very wide vauxhall allowance right over to borderline the other
side of the very wide vauxhall allowance! Doh! And charged my £80 quid for the privilege. Didn't do a damn thing for the wear problem.
Hmm went on a bit there! Dont normally rave on about this sort of thing. Unless they're awesome.
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pgtips
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 07:53 PM |
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Oh you lot.........I know you like bit of monkey spanering......do you?
If I die, my biggest fear is that my wife sells all my toys for the price I told her I bought them for...
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britishtrident
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| posted on 4/5/11 at 08:17 PM |
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Quality of gaiters varies enormously ----- the plastic looking ones that come in green boxes are not good in my experience, Now I only buy genuine
QH.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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02GF74
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| posted on 5/5/11 at 10:18 AM |
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cheers for replies - depending on what literature I read, there is lots of little crappy stuff to unolt/remove .... main biggy will be the hug nut I
reckon plus other stuff that has rusted and sezied after 17 years.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 5/5/11 at 08:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
None of mine have come with one, I had to make the cone.
[Edited on 4/5/11 by coyoteboy]
I must have been lucky! It was a bit of a flimsy crap thing though.
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