Avoneer
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:37 PM |
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Matt Black/Green Military Style Paint
Is this effect easy to do?
Seen it on several custom cars and bikes (from the USA).
Has a matt black finish and green tint in the light.
Any ideas anyone???
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Messenjah
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 08:43 PM |
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www.anchorsupplies.com will sell you matt black nato paint plenty enough to do a 7 a couple of times over if you brushed it on neat let alone spray
it on after thinning 
i dunno about the green tint but its actuall military matt black paint
5 Litre Tin Matt - £37.50
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iank
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:17 PM |
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http://www.anchorsupplies.com/paint.htm
for all 3 military colours 
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Avoneer
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:23 PM |
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This wasn't just a flat matt black though - had a green tint as well.
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caber
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 09:27 PM |
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probably IR reflecting paint Anchor supplies may have this as well it is supposed to prevent you being visible through night scopes!
Caber
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andyps
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 10:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by caber
probably IR reflecting paint Anchor supplies may have this as well it is supposed to prevent you being visible through night scopes!
Caber
Problem with that is most other drivers probably won't wee you either. Hopefully nor would Gatsos
Andy
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Deckman001
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| posted on 6/1/06 at 10:44 PM |
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Was all ways wondering how gatso's would cope with stealth type paint
Jason
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k33ts
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 12:46 AM |
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autopaint int doit cant remeber what its called iwas looking at it last time i went down there you can get about 9 different types different colours
aswell.
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mak
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 12:49 AM |
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who wants to be the guinee pig?
I'm sure that fellow on here with the Lightweight has got plenty of layers of Nato Green IR paint on it?
Mark
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Deckman001
Was all ways wondering how gatso's would cope with stealth type paint
Jason
It would still register, as the gatso used Radio Waves (radar) techniques, which will reflect from the Metal body.
IRR is Infra Red Reflective, and only works against IR LIGHT waves. It might work against the Laser type speed guns / cameras, but wouldnt want to put
it to the test!.
The main ingredient in IRR paint is a special type of Clay which reflects IR light / optical frequencies from its surroundings thus blending in with
the background.
The trick with IRR Matt paint is to Stir thouroughly, then Stir Thouroughly again,
THEN... Take a long 2" strip of metal and scrape the bottom of the tin and redistribute the thick paint at the bottom of the tin... Then STIR
AGAIN.
The Matting Agent in IRR paint is heavy and sinks to the bottom of the tin when stood for a long time. It will form a layer of about 0.5" / 12mm
at the bottom of the tin (5Litre Tin).
This layer MUST be thouroughly and evenly distributed in the rest of the paint.
If NOT:
1. You will get a horrid glossy effect.
2. It will have odd colour tinges as the Clay is usually reddish colour.
3. It wont accurately reflect IR Light, thus making you visible to the enemy.
This is Kosher info, as I have painted two military Land Rovers, and my Paint Guru is the Foreman Sprayer, spraying Military vehicles for a living at
a well known Companies Special Body Division.
Edit:
There is LOADS of MATT Green paint about... Not all of it is IRR Paint.
The commercial cost of genuine IRR paint would make you feint. It is seriously expensive. If you can find it shelf expired its usually around £30 for
5 litres, but havent seen a lot of genuine paint with the DEFSTAN (Defence Standard) Labels on the tin.
[Edited on 7/1/2006 by wilkingj]
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 01:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mak
I'm sure that fellow on here with the Lightweight has got plenty of layers of Nato Green IR paint on it?
Mark
The quantity of layers is irrevalent.
It need a smooth correctly prepared surface, the right undercoat, and the EXACT thickness of paint, which is measured with a gauge, and is only a few
microns thick.
When Painting two colour (eg Green/Black) IRR paint, they use Masks to shield the other colours area. The reverse masks are put on, and the other
colour applied, to the same EXACT thickness. There must not be any gaps or ridges betweek the layers as this will show up on any IR device looking at
it as a line where the refractive index changes.
Its a complex business... and makes ordinary car spraying look easy.
Also the paint they use is Two Pack paint, the stuff on the ex mil stalls at Rallies is not two pack paint. Again.. Look for the Defstan Labels.
IRR is manufactured by two companies in the UK, one is Beckers and I cant remember the other... it might be ICI.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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oliwb
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 06:47 PM |
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Sure your not thinking of flip paint?? Such as that oh so famous TVR tuscan in Swordfish (though purple and green), very bling! Though you'd
have to sell all your medalions at about £1,500 a gallon! I live very close to a guy who does cars in this stuff quite a lot. If your interested I
can try to find out who supplies it and a more accurate cost....Oli.
If your not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room!
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Glan Noye
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 08:11 PM |
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If you go here http://houseofkolor.co.uk/products/specialityproducts.htm# and look under speciality products,a combination of Kameleon over a black
basecoat and flattening agent in the topcoat of lacquer should give you the finish I think you are looking for. I have used House of Kolor products
and found them to be very good.Glan
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/1/06 at 09:48 PM |
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I am absolutely sure about Nato IRR Matt Paint both Black and Green. My source knows his job. I have also done my research too.
This is not the pearlescent multicolour pint I am talking about... I am talking about military Infra Red Reflective Matt Green and Black paint as used
on HM forces military vehicles. No Bling factor in that at all..
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/1/06 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
I am absolutely sure about Nato IRR Matt Paint both Black and Green. My source knows his job. I have also done my research too.
This is not the pearlescent multicolour pint I am talking about... I am talking about military Infra Red Reflective Matt Green and Black paint as used
on HM forces military vehicles. No Bling factor in that at all..
No idea why you would want IRR paint - it is reflective to IR - as I understand it, you shine an IR light then look through special goggles so you can
see the vehciles on your side. It doesn't age well hence why military Land Rovers have many coats of it slapped on with a broom!
My LR lightweight is painted in Nato green, from Leavesley International; cheaper than anyone else by a long way. Beware that their Nato black is not
that matt; I mixed it 50/50 with black board paint.
The downside of matt paint is its rough surface meaning grime gets into it quite quickly and very hard to remove, only solution is to paint it again!
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/1/06 at 11:49 AM |
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, only solution is to paint it again!
Or leave it dirty
yours, Pete
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chrisf
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| posted on 9/1/06 at 02:17 PM |
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Pat:
There is a US Toyota 4Runner ('99-01) that has the exact color you're thinking: almost black until the sun hits, then slightly metalic
black/green. I plan on painting my car this color and putting flatner in my clearcoat. My hope is that it will knock down the metalic.
I have all the formulas/recipes for PPG brand paint--including the paint code. Let me know if interested.
--Chris
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