Just paid 130.9 for ordinary 95 RON cooking petrol and that was at Sainsbury's, god knows how much it is at other places
131.9 at our cheapest......
131.09 here. Will be biking to work next week if the weather stays good.
Have not seen it that low for a while. 134.9 for petrol in SE London.
I have diesel up to 142.9!
Its really starting to hurt, when are people going to start protesting. I need cheaper fuel!!
Biz
Got caught short driving home in my Accord type r (98 ron) cost me £1.42 a litre 
Saw 95RON at 137.9 in Coleford, Glos last night!
£1.34.9 at a BP station local to me in Ashford/Sunbury, 2 miles up the road shell are selling at £1.29.9.
Cost me £49 to fill up a Nissan Note which does not have the biggest of tanks and i was not even empty, Ho hum.
Last weekend I filled up 3 cars, my Focus, my wife's Matiz and the toy car - goodbye to £110
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
Last weekend I filled up 3 cars, my Focus, my wife's Matiz and the toy car - goodbye to £110
you know what i dont get?
why is nobody doing anything? I remember when i was a lad, the truckers going on strike cause it hit 85p! there should be widespread chaos!
or is everybody believing its cause oil prices have risen and forgotten the fact that the government are taking probably the bad side of 60% straight
away....(thats a rough figure)
I filled up the van the other day... £115. 
its taking the pee
quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Last weekend I filled up 3 cars, my Focus, my wife's Matiz and the toy car - goodbye to £110
lucky you, it cost me £100 to fill my oil burning daily driver
Its really starting to hurt, when are people going to start protesting. I need cheaper fuel!!
Biz
quote:Spot on, but need to get the haulage/transport guys onboard, to cause maximum disruption
Originally posted by Gordy
Its really starting to hurt, when are people going to start protesting. I need cheaper fuel!!
Biz
quote:
Originally posted by A1
is everybody believing its cause oil prices have risen and forgotten the fact that the government are taking probably the bad side of 60% straight away....(thats a rough figure)
I filled up the car on Thursday, £84 and 1 hour later car got totalled
Watch this space for 'a spate of fuel thefts from cars', it happened around here in the cold weather just before Chistmas, people were having the central heating oil nicked out of the tank in the garden because the price had gone through the roof.
why don't we all just take our number plates off for a week. show the government that we comply because we want to. will show them how all their anpr crap doesn't work, for tax insurance etc etc. the whole system relys on them knowing who we are. I personally don't understand how in a democracy they can get away with such high taxes. the mass majority want fuel duty lowered
quote:
Originally posted by ashg
I personally don't understand how in a democracy they can get away with such high taxes. the mass majority want fuel duty lowered
Most of us don't like being taxed but we accept them, the difference in fuel duty is uthat it's ridiculously high and doesn't take into
account peoples personal circumstances or ability to pay, using your argument why not put petrol up to £50 per gallon and fill the govermemts coffers.
Those of us who live in rural areas have little or no access to public transport, we just feel like an easy target as we have no choice but drive, the
great and the good in London do have a choice. Do we feel p*ssed on by the metropolitan centric government, too right we do.
[Edited on 20/3/11 by norfolkluego]
Popcorn anyone? 
Again it all comes down to the choice which we make on how we choose to live our lives, if you desperately want to use public transport move to a town
which has adequate links to where you want to go. By choosing to live in a rural area you must accept that some of the convieniences of city life will
have to be sacrificed.
Again I ask the question how should the government make up the shortfall if fuel duty was reduced? I'm sure I don't want it on income
tax!
I also live rural.
I very much doubt this is th eend of th efuel price rises either. As a commodity gets in higher demand, people have to pay more for it. OK the costs
will probably fall back at some point, but we are going to have to grasp the idea life is going to get far more expensive.
We have had 10-15 years of easy living as a result of a boyant world economy, china suppressing prices and our government selling just about
everything they could. Now there is little left to sell, cgina has got into a rather strong position to raise prices should it want to, and the rest
of the world economy has gone belly up.
Its just going to be the lean years for a bit. We need to hope the bankers stay in this country and keep making massive money and big bonuses ( IIRC
something like 25% of income tax is paid by 1% of the population )
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/8321369/Top-1-of-workers-pay-quarter-of-all-income-tax.html
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
I very much doubt this is th eend of th efuel price rises either. As a commodity gets in higher demand, people have to pay more for it. OK the costs will probably fall back at some point, but we are going to have to grasp the idea life is going to get far more expensive.
We have had 10-15 years of easy living as a result of a boyant world economy, china suppressing prices and our government selling just about everything they could. Now there is little left to sell, cgina has got into a rather strong position to raise prices should it want to, and the rest of the world economy has gone belly up.
Its just going to be the lean years for a bit. We need to hope the bankers stay in this country and keep making massive money and big bonuses ( IIRC something like 25% of income tax is paid by 1% of the population
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/8321369/Top-1-of-workers-pay-quarter-of-all-income-tax.html
Those of you who live in rural areas probably don't pay over the odds for insurance and council tax. It's not all wonderful living in the city. Public transport is not free either - £ £4.00 to go one stop on the tube.
quote:
Originally posted by norfolkluego
Watch this space for 'a spate of fuel thefts from cars', it happened around here in the cold weather just before Chistmas, people were having the central heating oil nicked out of the tank in the garden because the price had gone through the roof.
It wont end in fuel taxes. Its all paying for the extra people we have let into our country, a war thats not ours to fight and all the money they
send to other countries to help them out. Which you can garantee they wont do the same for us when something happens here.
Last time there was fuel blockades etc it was mainly truckers who did it. The majority of them have fuel cards now which you get a lower fuel price
with so costs them less so they dont car as much.
My tin top now costs me 89 quid to fill the tank.
Would you believe i have to do a fuel comsumption test on a vehicle at work tomorrow because the blokes complaining it doesnt go as far on a tenner
worth of diesel as it used to!!
There are two things which I do to help.
1)Drive less.
2)Use different fuel
My local supplier is now up to 99p a litre for biodiesel.
I don't grudge him it.
Car share.
I currently car share with one person going to work.
At the start of april, another member is joining our local scheme.
It will mean I have to do the 40 mile round trip to work 1 week in 3.
I cover the costs for my week, they cover the costs for their weeks.
Take these 2 measures together.
If I do a week at pump prices based on pump prices it costs me £31.
So, if I do the 4 ish weeks of a month it costs me £120.
Now, with my two saving measures.
A week on biodiesel costs £22.47.
I drive 1 week in 3, so the 4 weekly period costs me £29.88
We'll call that £30,
If you're still with me.
I've saved £90 a month by choosing to take two measures.
Different fuel.
Different driving pattern.
Those two things I did there were my choice.
None of the two of them are hard work and because everyone benefits, the other two guys want to be part of the scheme too.
None of the other two actually live any closer to me than 3 miles away, but it's worth the little effort for all of us one week in 3 to pick some
guys up to be a passenger FREE OF CHARGE for the other two.
hopefully i'll be back in America within 3 weeks, just worked out its 55p a litre over there in North Dakota where i'm based, and the US government takes taxes from that, so just shows how low we could have it and still give the govenment money, if they kick some of the illigal imigrantes out and stopped giving them houses, cars, food, clothes, and money, stopped wandering into countries with millitry force, and looked after their own people, we might not need to pay so much tax, but i can't complain, i don't pay income tax as i am in a loop hole, also don't smoke, and don't drink, so its only fair i pay some tax, so fuel is how i pay it, still to expensive though.
sensible move^
We have to sort ourselves out and start cutting the coat accordingly. It won't be easy, and I suspect there will be a load more suggestions about
money being squandered overseas and on immigrants. Sadly not enough posts about how lazy a vast number of the Uk population is, expecting everything
to be done for them.
Pensions will be another biggie soon. People just don't get it. If you work for 40 years, and then expect to retire and live off a pension for
the next 25 years, then assuming you want/ need half your working income as a pension (many expect more) then you need to be putting nearly a third of
you income into pension provision. (figures all at todays rates, so the assumption is made that future growth of saved money is equal to increases in
living costs, about right in general unless you are lucky)
Scary!
Now, I need to dig out that LPG conversion from the shed and see how well it will fit my car
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Now, I need to dig out that LPG conversion from the shed and see how well it will fit my car
quote:
Originally posted by bj928
hopefully i'll be back in America within 3 weeks, just worked out its 55p a litre over there in North Dakota where i'm based, and the US government takes taxes from that, so just shows how low we could have it and still give the govenment money, if they kick some of the illigal imigrantes out and stopped giving them houses, cars, food, clothes, and money, stopped wandering into countries with millitry force, and looked after their own people, we might not need to pay so much tax, but i can't complain, i don't pay income tax as i am in a loop hole, also don't smoke, and don't drink, so its only fair i pay some tax, so fuel is how i pay it, still to expensive though.
I bought a smart car. 60 ish to the gallon, halfed my petrol bill. Still have my family tintop
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Originally posted by zilspeed
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
Now, I need to dig out that LPG conversion from the shed and see how well it will fit my car
At 76p a litre ?
It's borderline worth it.
Fair enough if you have a huge tank.
Otherwise, you'll get bored of filling up every 3 days.
My old bus goes the thick end of a fortnight between fills these days.
) Just filled van, 65p, that's lpg for you.
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Again it all comes down to the choice which we make on how we choose to live our lives, if you desperately want to use public transport move to a town which has adequate links to where you want to go. By choosing to live in a rural area you must accept that some of the convieniences of city life will have to be sacrificed.
Again I ask the question how should the government make up the shortfall if fuel duty was reduced? I'm sure I don't want it on income tax!
I also live rural.
quote:
Originally posted by norfolkluego
quote:
Originally posted by daviep
Again it all comes down to the choice which we make on how we choose to live our lives, if you desperately want to use public transport move to a town which has adequate links to where you want to go. By choosing to live in a rural area you must accept that some of the convieniences of city life will have to be sacrificed.
Again I ask the question how should the government make up the shortfall if fuel duty was reduced? I'm sure I don't want it on income tax!
I also live rural.
'if you desperately want to use public transport move to a town which has adequate links '
I'm sorry but as over simplification goes that's a whopper.
Many of the people who live around here are retired, usually from agriculture or something similar, they don't have massive pensions like those poor downtrodden bankers, most of them couldn't afford to move to Norwich let alone any other city, besides why should they be driven from their homes to pay for the mistakes of others. Most local shops have gone the way of local Post Offices, the ones that are left are stupidly expensive, for most of these people driving is not a luxury it's the only way to get about, there are no other options. The Westminster mob who've barely had a proper job between them (all parties that is) don't understand ( or maybe don't care) the effect their policies have on 'ordinary' people.
I took a job that is 37 miles away after I got made redundant.
I cant afford to buy a new fuel efficient car.
Mine does 35mpg if I drive it careful, and its only a old T reg brava, nothing flash or fast.
if the fuel prices end up the way the papers are talking about at £2 per litre, then I will have to spend A QUARTER of my wage, just to get to
work.
Now however simple your view on life is, financial or otherwise - that is a pretty painful thing to absorb.
Yes it is doable - but I'm already pretty tight. No holiday for 5 years, rarely eat out/drink - my only luxery is the kit and that is getting
sold soon, and was funded when I had a company car, higher wage yadda yadda.
The tax is based on %, the governement couldn't have factored in the middle east difficulties/japan into their tax sums - so your arguement is
rubbish. The governement is making more than it thought it would. Period.
It could cut some slack - the 1p fuel rise for example - and it could do more, by stablising the price through a more sophisicated calculation than a
% increase as the taxation. When fuel prices are high, take less % but the same overall cash value, and when prices are low, bump up the % so the
income stays flat.
Simples.
i dont grudge the fuel companies taking my money, but its the fact the government are raping us...
we could cut the dole money we give out by a huge amount, and that would take into account a huge cut in fuel duty...
A couple of Observations:
The vaunted British "educational system" is becoming a widespread Joke, at least outside of the UK.
It's been reduced to a degree mill for third world 'foreign' students who pay large.
The medical system is in poor condition, far worse than acknowledged and British dental remains as the laughing stock of the western world.
There's No being too smug.. you are getting appallingly Poor return for your taxation.
Interestingly , recently read a report that suggested world oil prices are almost doubled over the actual delivered prices by 'Futures
Speculation' A semi recent and clearly growing trend.
Somebody is making Good Coin:-) Unlikely it's going to reverse.. realistically it will double.. soon enough.
Best buy some Good shoes, move next door to your workplace and /or buy a decent bicycle.
As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, buying fuel will become a... far greater.... burden, like it or not.
round here its 132 and 142 petrol and diesel respectively
soon I wont be able to afford to travel to work, its getting that simple, cuts in wages, cuts in hours, rent gone up, all household bills gone up,
food, car insurance, water gas etc etc etc etc
after paying everything, each week I currently have £4 left spare!
Im hoping my job goes down the pan to be honest, will be better off on benefits for a while, maybe do some free training courses or something? never
claimed a penny in my life, but sick of working for nothing.
theres no work round this area, anything that you do find is only seasonal, council tax is high, water rates are one of the highest in the country,
and as its a tourist area the local places are expensive, even if I could afford to go out.
just about every job is minimum wage, skilled jobs are even crap money, a mate of mine is coded welder, a place was advertising for skilled welders
and sheet metal workers, wage according to experience etc etc, wage on offer was £7.01 per hour.
over the last 2 years I have applied for either extra jobs, part time, or full time replacement jobs, ideally ones with overtime opportunity etc, last
count was 280 job apllications in 26 months, of them, I got 7 replies, during a chat at the 3 interviews I managed to get, I was told that basically I
was either too qualified, or found that that wage wouldnt support my living, it would appear that theres some sort of pressure on companies to employ
people that are unemployed?
recently a tesco store opened up, 400 jobs apparantly, well 250 went to staff from the other tesco stores, that left 150, and they were applied for by
in excess of 3000 people!
on Friday another large company in the town went downhill, thats another 250 people unemployed, sadly most are of older years, worked in that factory
for many years and dont know any other skills
too many people in this country are now just existing.
fuel prices arent the total problem, but for many people like me, they are just about the final nail in the coffin
I just use a motor bike, costs me £10 a week to go to work and if I used the 125 which really I could no problem it would be less than £8, to use the
car it cost me £50! Also changes a 1 1/2 hour car journey to just 20 mins.
Cars are too big an inefficient. I’ve never seen so many bikes being used as last year and already there’s heap this year to as folk are just fed up
with the traffic jams. Also you can get 8 motorbikes parked in the same space as one car!
[Edited on 21/3/11 by Mr Whippy]
Im the same, I ride a bike every day, snow delayed me, but didnt stop me LOL, couldnt afford a 125, so ended up with a 600 diversion, but they are
pretty economical £10 does the weeks 135 mile commute
however we still need a car for my wife to take daughter to school and various activities, thats a turbo diesel and always returns in excess of
40mpg.
we got really lucky with the car, was dirt cheap, and hopefully will last longer than the 6-12 months that most of our cars last.
its that old catch 22 situation, never got enough money to buy a decent car, but end up scrapping the car and trying to find another cheapy every year
thats got some MOT LOL
^ buy an old nissan, seriously they cost naff all and just keep going. I got 5 years use out a £250 one and it never failed an MOT but got bored with it as there was nothing to do with it but drive and clean it so scrapped it! then bought another one and it too never has any issues just mad
Just stumbelled across this.
Enjoy it while it lasts peeps
Crazy, that's when we mothballed our 2nd car (Seat Cordoba Coupe) & I ended up cycling my commute for 3 + years, last month I finally put it
back on the road so I can commute in warmth this year.
We also ended up selling our beloved Saab 95 2.3 litre petrol as i was managing 25mpg which was crippling with the cost of unleaded, replaced it with
a diesel Meriva, I still really missed the Saab but my Cordoba coupe puts a smile on my face each morning.
I bet the less than £1 per litre won't last though.
The forecast is oil will dip another 20-30% yet. Doesn't necessarily equate to cheaper fuel tho.
I think most oil producing countries have cottoned onto the fact that places like the US have shale oil and could do fracking along with the rest of
the world, which only happens if crude price high enough. If they keep prices low, they'll keep on selling and make shale/fracking too
expensive.
Just replaced my Grand Espace after 7 1/2 years (had two) with a 2004 Rover 75 2.5 V6 and I'm loving being back in a Rover
ATB
Simon
Does anyone else think that cheaper fuel and car tax changing to be based on car value and not emissions mean the return of big engine cheap cars?
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just grateful that petrol is cheap. If I buy another car (and I plan to soon) I will still be
looking for something that gives me good mpg. I'll take any savings as a short-term bonus (as I'm sure it's going to be).
I'm sure that this low oil price is political - I'm fairly sure that the USA is trying to undercut Russia and the Middle East, trying to
mess up their economies. But this is entirely my own opinion!
[Edited on 9/1/16 by David Jenkins]
Just filled up with diesel for 99.7 at the Asdas... I do not expect it to last as I reckon the gov will whack fuel duty come march...
And I still wonder why the engine in my old (96) 106 gave me 85mpg yet new cars are know where near that..
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just grateful that petrol is cheap. If I buy another car (and I plan to soon) I will still be looking for something that gives me good mpg. I'll take any savings as a short-term bonus (as I'm sure it's going to be).
Correcto, dude at work sneers down his nose at my dobbie calling it an ice cream van... He claims I'm wasting money on road tax cause his brand
new Audi is £40 a year... Useless turd doesn't realise how many years road tax I can get for what he's paying to buy his piece of crap..
He got very upset when I said it was the shape of a shed
My next purchase will be the newest plate I can get for £2k and if it does 40+ mpg I'm very happy!
Yep, my Cordoba coupe is 17 years old, I paid £2500 for it ten+ years ago, still going strong so it's staying with me, only pay running costs
now, no monthly payments on finance etc.
Makes sense to me.
I drive a 2004 SEAT ibiza 1.4mpi and it costs nearly nothing. All my co-workers take the micky with their AUDI's and BMW's which are bought on finance and they loose more money in 6 months than I paid for my car. I don't need to look cool driving to work nor does it need to look cool in the works car park.
Just come back from New Zealand - Diesel is $1.05/l (45p) there! You do pay a separate mileage tax that works out to about £0.04p/mile on top though,
but that doesn't encourage you to get a small engined diesel. Petrol was about 80p/l, with no mileage tax.
I was quite amazed by the age of a lot of cars still apparently being driven daily - several MGB GTs and loads of older cars (especially around Napier
- part of the art deco city thing). If you are into old trucks/buses/cars, there were loads of restorable ones parked up in peoples gardens/fields
etc
Hugh
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Originally posted by Irony
I drive a 2004 SEAT ibiza 1.4mpi and it costs nearly nothing. All my co-workers take the micky with their AUDI's and BMW's which are bought on finance and they loose more money in 6 months than I paid for my car. I don't need to look cool driving to work nor does it need to look cool in the works car park.
quote:
Originally posted by Irony
I drive a 2004 SEAT ibiza 1.4mpi and it costs nearly nothing. All my co-workers take the micky with their AUDI's and BMW's which are bought on finance and they loose more money in 6 months than I paid for my car. I don't need to look cool driving to work nor does it need to look cool in the works car park.
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
And I still wonder why the engine in my old (96) 106 gave me 85mpg yet new cars are know where near that..
I can't believe anyone is touting safety as a factor on Locostbuilders. I'd quite like to see the safety rating on a locost.
Don't get me wrong I've owned nice cars. The best car I owned was a mk4 Golf GTTDI Anniversary Edition. I put 140K on it before I had to
swap it for a safe baby hauler. I am just out of that phase in my life now. I see daily drivers as a mode of transport. I just want cars that are
reliable and safe for mine and my partners cars. But I also want to spend as little as possible. I can spend that money on days out with my boy and
holidays. Some things are just more important to me.
Theres a guy in my office, earns a lot less than I do and he's just leased a VW sirocco for £300 a month. Its a nice car, fast and economical.
But at the end of the day its just traffic.
Each to their own I suppose.
Re safety, I think the difference is that we generally don't commute 20k miles a year in our locosts in peak traffic hours.
I agree about priorities, my kids are aged 22, 19 and 17 so do their own thing most of the time but if having a nice car meant I couldn't afford
family holiday then I'd probably choose the holiday. However, in our case the holiday usually starts with the drive to Manchester or Newcastle
airport to avoid the silly Scottish airport surcharges and the family are all in 100% agreement that the 5-series is a more pleasant way to get family
and luggage to the airport than any of our previous cars. The fact that I got the 535 for well under the price of a new Ford Focus makes it incredible
value for money.
What's more important to me these days is time! I don't want to be spending time keeping an old car running. I've been there and done
that many times over the years and I'm glad I don't have to deal with that any more. I still do the maintenance on my 535 but so far
that's mainly oil and various filters. I replaced the brake discs and pads but that shouldn't need done again during my ownership. Service
costs for the BMW are surprisingly inexpensive given the type of car it is and it's so well engineered that it's a pleasure to work on.
My intention is to keep the 535 for a few more years and then replace it with another 3 or 4 year old car before it starts to go wrong. For me,
that's the sweet-spot in good value motoring. Your mileage may vary as they say. (literally in this case...)