i was watching a ford focus with a 800bhp cosworth engine in it racing at the weekend. on friday i was watching the 1000bhp veyron on top gear. it got me thinking...

the veyron, huge W12 engine, 10 radiators, 4(?) turbos, £5 million to build.

focus cosworth, 2 litre 4 cylinder engine not sure how old these are any more, 20+ years?, huge turbo, 1 radiator and 1 intercooler (i assume), 4wd, don't know what it cost to build.

for a difference of 'only' 200bhp, which, ok, its quite a bit, what makes the bugatti that mental?

i'm really not wording what i mean very well, but hopefully you see what i'm getting at. maybe? lol

I can explain, its simple.


one costs 1,000,000, one doesn't.

one is made by bugatti, one is made by ford.


take it down a level, which is nicer, a smart roadster or a rover citycar?

And the focus will probably be quicker round a track too

BTW veyron is W16

The difference is some rich bar steward with money to burn doesn't want to drive a fast ford sierra.

Edit: missed the bit about it being a focus.


[Edited on 16/6/2009 by Keith Weiland]

One is a mind boggling pinnacle of automotive engineering - the others a Bugatti

And it's a W16 I believe ?

given a choice between those two.. i'll take herpes thanks lol

looking up some info the ford cosworth is nearly 25 years old now.

bugatti made this car as a sort of technical exercise to prove they could. but when you see a ford focus tuned giving that much power from a 2 litre engine, you sort of wonder if it was worth it. they could have got a lot more power surely? or does all the fancy stuff they've thrown at it mean its more reliable than that cosworth, will the bugatti go a lot further between engine rebuilds, will that cosworth only last a few races before being rebuilt etc

I would imagine that an 800bhp 2 litre turbo is a little hormonal to say the least! If it decides to have a tantrum and let go it would be a case of taking it home in a hoover bag.
The Veyron should be slightly less stressed but does that make it worth the price? Probably!

lol sorry, W16, yeah, i got a bit carried away

Which one could you get into in the paddock at Knockhill after the race and drive to the South of France in though ?

I'm as big a fan as anyone of the underdog, but it's horse for courses is it not ?

There's also the aspect of the veyron being 1000bhp and refined as well, which I imagine Andrew Gallagher's Focus possibly isn't...

Don't forget the running costs of the Bug.

£5.5k per tyre for the fronts and £6.5k each for the rear tyres!

The tyres when brand new recieved with the car have 7mm tread depth and the replacments are only 5mm! So they are "part worn"!!!

50k euro for a 1 year extension in warrantee.

I'd take the scort Cossie anytime. At least I'd be able to use it.

Mike

I never knew there was a focus cossie

yeah it was all well and good til the fuel line wore through took 3 bags of cement to clear that lot up off the pit lane.

i'd love to see that focus in a race against the veyron though, just to see how they go. even taddei's fiesta was pretty awesome

Obviously nothing too special about 800bhp anyway... You can even get it from a ROVER!

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Originally posted by speedyxjs
I never knew there was a focus cossie

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The Veyron could be thrashed all day long, not overheat, not get stressed and do the same every day for 100000-200000 miles.

The 800bhp Focus will blow up shortly...

Edit to add: I would be extremely skeptical that the 2l Cosworth is really producing 800bhp.

[Edited on 16/6/09 by matt_claydon]

here's the link to his car
http://www.charlesshaw.co.uk/Welcome.html

although, the spec seems to be from last years car

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Originally posted by speedyxjs
I never knew there was a focus cossie

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there wasn't, i think he built it himself?

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Also- 800Bhp from a cossie? Do you measure the turbo lag in hours, days or weeks....

Veyron for me anyday....

You're all missing the point i recon!!!

All thats important is which one would Kylie get into with you to be whisked off to your love nest in..........

which one would you rather collect Kristan Scott-Thomas from her house and take her to a film premier in Monte Carlo in. I know which i would have, i'd then be able to afford to have the focus as a track day car

i'm just trying to work out how to get 400bhp out of my x20xev now... not straight away, but in time, it would be nice...

Actually, I wouldnt have either...I would have a sevenesque sports car....oh hang on, got one of those

Now all I need it to make it into an R500 beater, then its gonna be quicker than a veyron round a track anyway....top gear's proved that point already.

well, the focuses were MUCH faster than the cosworth powered caterhams, and/or westfields. can't remember what they were

Love the tyres!

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Now all I need it to make it into an R500 beater

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Originally posted by blakep82
given a choice between those two.. i'll take herpes thanks lol

looking up some info the ford cosworth is nearly 25 years old now.

bugatti made this car as a sort of technical exercise to prove they could. but when you see a ford focus tuned giving that much power from a 2 litre engine, you sort of wonder if it was worth it. they could have got a lot more power surely? or does all the fancy stuff they've thrown at it mean its more reliable than that cosworth, will the bugatti go a lot further between engine rebuilds, will that cosworth only last a few races before being rebuilt etc

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800bhp is all great pub talk - but i bet its got a hoooooge turbo and drives like an on/off switch. Probably a fairly narrow power band once it does manage to get spooled up - no doubt totally useless on the road.

Veyron for me please

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800bhp is all great pub talk - but i bet its got a hoooooge turbo and drives like an on/off switch. Probably a fairly narrow power band once it does manage to get spooled up - no doubt totally useless on the road.

Veyron for me please

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Possibly - but doubt it would be needed on a race car that no doubt had a close ratio box and doesnt really need the power low down.

So what racing was it then Blake?? 800bhp Cossie Focus's sounds like the sort of thing you'd see at the Rallycross.

it was in the northern sports and super slaoons. so there was
-2 focuses, 700 and 800 bhp 4wd, 2
-mk3 fiesta in similar spec, not sure what power but it was 4wd with big turbo,
-a few 7s, with cosworths and vauxhalls
can't really remember what else. really just a mix of cars that don't fit into anything else.

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Originally posted by blakep82
i'm just trying to work out how to get 400bhp out of my x20xev now... not straight away, but in time, it would be nice...

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is that with turbos and stuff though? don't think i've got room for turbos

looking at those tyres, i would its drag racing

I've seen a Mk6 fiesta with cossie 4x4 running gear & engine - I think they were claiming 600bhp

and wans't there a pug 106 in PPC mag with 4x4 and a 400bhp cossie

and there are always the 400bhp 4x4 puma's too.....

...and all the cossie powered kitcars


[Edited on 17/6/09 by mcerd1]

hear is a link from last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26QTo-O5Hc

and this " target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQsz4iJ84w

think this is the fiesta ya was on about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__NSkl5ffQc

thats what 750bhp does to ya car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL9JYD0jY3E

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think this is the fiesta ya was on about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__NSkl5ffQc

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evo engined fiesta (fievo) at knockhill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7yK2Lab4MU&feature=related

..........sorry but.....just buy an Ultima!!!!

Considerably quicker than a veyron (proven! )

Lower running costs.

Simple engine with easy to buy parts.

Carburettor, no fuel injection or anything much else to go wrong.

WAY lighter than a veyron.

With twin turbos, as being built my John Sleath at the mo, makes 1500 hp, none of this poxy 1000hp rubbish, and still perfectly reliable over long distance.

Build an 800hp one for around 45k or buy it for 80k................................

no brainer really