Hi Ladies and Gents,
Well I`m a very happy bunny this morning after Alan from AGM came and dropped off my custom chassis, engine, gearbox, diff, shock/spring....etc etc
yesterday.
The chassis is one of the 500bhp types which has been widened to fit in the monster V12 from a merc SL600.
Now the work begins.........
[Edited on 9/8/10 by StuartBJ]
Any chance you could retake those pictures, they are blurred AND 'kin enormous?
Sorry, I don`t know how to resize the pics! They are big files!!....taken from an iphone....anyone know how to make these smaller?
Thanks
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Thanks Pete
That looks fantastic, but i'd have to say that chassis doesn't stand a chance.
ATB Dan.
Blimey, that's a big one 
What's the white powder over the front, looks suspiciously like powder extinguisher residue.
The chassis should be man enough for the job (fingers crossed)...its rated for 500bhp.
Well the white powder wasnt there before ....hmmm
that's a bloody mahooosivveee engine there!
and the really surprising thing is that its not amazingly heavy either.....Ali/Mg engine at a guess..... oh and here is the T5 gearbox adapted to suit
the SL bell housing.
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Isn't this engine a bit...euh....overkill ?
where do the wings and the propella go?
good luck you crazy fool
How so?......
Size? .... not really when you remember its a lemans styled kit car and its NOT a seven.
Power?....plenty of kit cars have big power whether thats a mutant cossie lump or Whopping V8 prducing a million HP.
and when you get offered 500bhp for £450......who am I to argue.... 
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Originally posted by mrwibble
where do the wings and the propella go?
good luck you crazy fool
That's a big motor...!
Out of interest...who rates the chasis at 500bhp (any torsional or stress testing results)?
...and what mods have been made over the standard (MK Indy based) chasis?
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Originally posted by nick205
That's a big motor...!
Out of interest...who rates the chasis at 500bhp (any torsional or stress testing results)?
...and what mods have been made over the standard (MK Indy based) chasis?
I Like this!
How will you see over the engine when driving it? Or is it not in its final position?
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Originally posted by Irony
How will you see over the engine when driving it? Or is it not in its final position?
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
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Originally posted by Irony
How will you see over the engine when driving it? Or is it not in its final position?
Nope, its on the deck atm and not nailed down, so no problem there. Amazingly it fits under the standard bodywork........ I was shocked!
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must admit i do like the shape of the WLR, looks like it will be a bit of a beastl
WLR chassis with a LS-1 V8 fitted
blinkin' marvellous. good to see something different being built.
do you know what the weight of the enigne is?
and how will you be fuelling it, using megasquirt/after market ecu ?
Wow - Impressive ... Can we have a sweepstake on how long the rear tyres last?
Regards
Hugh
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Originally posted by hughpinder
Wow - Impressive ... Can we have a sweepstake on how long the rear tyres last?
Regards
Hugh
Well the hoist had no problem lifting it to full height on the 250Kg setting. Hard to define the weight but must be about 200Kg.
I have a Megasquirt unit for the engine MS extra with 2x v6 coil packs (ford).
The fueling is via the original merc pump (complete with swirl pot) but I havn`t run any lines yet and I`m waiting for a follow up pallet of parts to
turn up.... including the fuel tank.
I have ditched the original TB`s which were stepper motors (drive by wire) for some shiny red ali 80mm cable operated ones.
I will try and detail the install at each step with pics. I`m sure lots of people will be intrested in the Megasquirt.
Sounds like fun... looking forward to it!
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Originally posted by 02GF74
and how will you be fuelling it?
Hmm..... fair comment
But another good story....
I have a set of NEW Merc ML alloys 9.5 inches wide (Rear) for £160 (via ebay) from a specialist alloy shop in essex that couldn`t sell them
The mecredes alloys fit Granada hubs (5x112)......
What size tyres do you think are best for these rims 18" x 9.5" ....255? 245? 265? 275?
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
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Originally posted by nick205
That's a big motor...!
Out of interest...who rates the chasis at 500bhp (any torsional or stress testing results)?
...and what mods have been made over the standard (MK Indy based) chasis?
AGM had the original chassis and wishbones stress tested on a jig and then a report was produced (which makes a good read). The conclusion and suggestions were then developed in to the chassis you see in the pictures and the new chassis was re tested.
If you look at the the AGM pics it shows a few good pictures of the chassis for you to compare but basically there is extra strengthening and cross members etc + recomended panelling and widening to increase rigidity.
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Originally posted by hughpinder
Wow - Impressive ... Can we have a sweepstake on how long the rear tyres last?
Regards
Hugh
About 100m
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
I`m waiting for a follow up pallet of parts to turn up.... including the fuel tank.
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
Well the hoist had no problem lifting it to full height on the 250Kg setting. Hard to define the weight but must be about 200Kg.
Ha ha....I hope not
Here is the actual fuel tank
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^^^^^^
Is that for range or simply to get some traction weight over the rear wheels...?
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
Ha ha....I hope not
Here is the actual fuel tank
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Originally posted by nick205
^^^^^^
Is that for range or simply to get some traction weight over the rear wheels...?
Soa genuine 180 mph!? Thought real men turbo those engines
on a serious note, would it not be worth running a dta type ecu?
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Originally posted by franky
Soa genuine 180 mph!? Thought real men turbo those engines
on a serious note, would it not be worth running a dta type ecu?
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
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Originally posted by nick205
^^^^^^
Is that for range or simply to get some traction weight over the rear wheels...?
I suspect it was built to fit but it does have the added benefit of both as Alan used an LS1 in the demo car and that can`t be exactly.....froogle lol
A chassis isn't "designed" for horsepower... the chassis only knows about torque, more specifically, the maximum amount transferable to
the ground, probably be a lot less than what the engine can develop. So, it really comes down to what tires the designer worked off of. Hopefully he
designed it for worst-case, racing slicks, and not all-season tires!
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Wow.
Just wow.
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Originally posted by kb58
A chassis isn't "designed" for horsepower... the chassis only knows about torque, more specifically, the maximum amount transferable to the ground, probably be a lot less than what the engine can develop. So, it really comes down to what tires the designer worked off of. Hopefully he designed it for worst-case, racing slicks, and not all-season tires!
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Yes, I agree.
We all know that its actually torque that is the important factor but we all still "speak" in terms of BHP (or KW) when it really should be
lb`s.
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
...But if you said to Joe Public that the chassis was designed for 600lb/ft of torque, they wouldnt understand.
Horsepower in this case is a reference method methinks.
You`ve hit the nail on the head... It is aimed at Joe public looking at starting a new kit aswell as the more "experienced" enthusiast...
Even today I saw "a which chassis" question posted.
I agree that its not technically right..... but it gets the point across to the masses.
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Originally posted by StuartBJ
Well the hoist had no problem lifting it to full height on the 250Kg setting. Hard to define the weight but must be about 200Kg.
I'm a little concerned by the absence of any tubes to stop the engine bay lozenging. They are missing on the MK too but it's very hard to
get this vital chassis strength back.
I know it's hard to fit them in the engine bay with a big engine so the alternative is a 'Y' brace.
This is all outlined in Cymtrics' mods and documentation which you'd do well to investigate.
Cheers,
James
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Originally posted by kb58
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
...But if you said to Joe Public that the chassis was designed for 600lb/ft of torque, they wouldnt understand.
Horsepower in this case is a reference method methinks.
Agreed, but since we aren't Joe Public here, I'm curious what torque the designer built the chassis for. If he says "500 hp", I'd be concerned!
Which is why I wrote:
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... the chassis only knows about torque, more specifically, the maximum amount transferable to the ground, probably be a lot less than what the engine can develop. So, it really comes down to what tires the designer worked off of. Hopefully he designed it for worst-case, racing slicks, and not all-season tires!
Always worth remembering that unlike power, torque is multiplied by gearboxes and CWPs.
Well most of my first weekend involved some lengthy chats to passers by asking "What the **** is that ?"....but that asside I was fairly
happy with progress this week. I installed the diff and driveshafts, the diff required some light trimming to fit perfectly but nothing a well aimed
hacksaw couldn`t cope with. I also offered up the gearbox, steering wheel and enjoyed my "right of passage" from the soon to be cockpit....
"brum brum". The cone filters may cause some future concerns but I`m sure these can be accomodated via some means. The alternator will
require relocating to allow the steering column to be positioned correctly but this sin`t an unexpected problem.
I`m just waiting on the bolt pack from AGM and the car will be in rolling chassis form (fingers crossed that will be this weekend).
You will see from the pictures that my propshaft will be alittle on the small side. Ha Ha......its not the size that counts
And yes.....i gave it a bit of a wipe too
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Excellent. Keep the momentum, otherwise it stalls.
Thanks Richard...... I can but try.
Have you sat in the car to see if the shifter location works for you? In my cars, the shifter ends up being nearly in line with the steering wheel for best fit. In the picture above it looks like the shifter's about two feet behind it. Just sayin...
Yes I have and it "isn`t bad" but could be better with a gear stick mod...... to be brutally honest. Not a show stopper though.
Hi Guys,
Well weekend #2 - The plan for this weekend was quite a relaxed one, get her on all four wheels.
Well, It was easy enough to attach all wishbones to their respective pickups but my coilover bolts were still in the post, but I did have enough odds
to build one corner.....as you will see.
Then my next issue, my mushrooms didn`t fit well (becuase I`ve used Granada hubs). So... I have asked Talon Motorsport to turn me a couple of new ones
to suit...which means a trip to the garage on Tuesday night to measure the Hubs up.
So hopefully this time next week I will have moved past the suspension on to another of my many jobs.
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I think that combination of engine, discs and alloys will always make me smile.
Plenty of brake caliper clearance? Those rotors are huge.
Yes, all fits nicely
Impressive
But
How on earth are you going to fit the steering column?
Unless you are planning on a rudder
Good question......
The alternator is going to be relocated to the opposite side
You are insane......
but I LOVE it!!!
Keep up the good work!
Chris
Well after two holidays (USA and France)..... I thought an update is well overdue......on a side note France may be one of the style capitals of the
world but thats no excuse to spray a Rolls Royce Phantom in matt black.....
Anyway......the suspension is completely done, although I will have to re visit the IRS and change out the threaded bar in favour of some very large
bolts (see other posts).
The rear brakes are on and ready for lines (in progress), I`ve opted for the vented cosowrth rear discs, pads and calipers (new) ...... ohh note to be
mentioned here, I have three pairs of granada hubs and yet two pairs didn`t fit and had me scratching my head for hours.... the hub carriers from the
cosworth granada and standard granada are about 10-15mm different in mounting points due to the brake disc width difference, so I`m now left with 2
sets of standard granada hubs..... (any takers???).
The engine is fully in..... and mounting it was .....hmmmm well ...... easier than I would have thought..... as far as aligning and lifting a few
hundred kilos gets..... but it had been a job that I wasn`t looking forward to so a lot of satifaction now it is complete.
ohhh and I have fitted the steering rack with some solid style alloy mounts from eBay and the top part of the steering column are now in place.
The Front 8 pot caliper brackets are now slightly overdue .... but hey they are being machined up by a mate for the price of some beer so I can`t
really complain.
The oil cooler, handbrake cable has been offered up ready for fitting this week.
Friday should see a delivery from Alan at AGM with the fuel tank and nose cone/radiator bracketry.
I've just ordered the tyres and wheel spacers for the car, when these and the fuel tank etc are on (and I have had a good garage tidy
upsession)....I will post some more pics.
Still lots to do..... but looking forward to seeing the radiator installed and rolling rubber.
[Edited on 13/10/10 by StuartBJ]
I'll be fascinated to see how well this handles. I love the insanity of it, but I feel like it's risking being a boat anchor with no rear traction due to the frontal weight? Quite excited to see!
I know what you are getting at.... its not a bike engined car and thats for sure (well mine isnt and I`m sure Alan from AGM will thank me for pointing
out that it can be easily fitted with one) but my WLR is an ali lump and should weigh similar to a cast iron V8, so left to its own devises it should
handle similar to something like an Ultima, but really its all down to the setup.
I will fine tune as much as possible, camber, toe, aero and pressure all round until I`m happy..... but you can`t go far wrong with DBL wishbones all
round.
Where the WLR should shine is the swing axel lengths as they are near parallel, similar to single seaters, so im guessing im in for a sharp (turn in)
but spine shattering ride...... but when I spent an hour or so in one on the motorway it seemed fine....so perhaps its a case of suck it and see with
respect to the damper settings.
When all is said and done its a car for a LeMans style track (Long) and power comes in handy on the straights, in comparison it will be intresting to
see how it handles on the B roads and short twisty circuits.
[Edited on 14/10/10 by StuartBJ]
whatever happened to this car?
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whatever happened to this car?