Hi all,

I'm doing some owrk on my Anglia, and whilst it's not a locost as such, this place is a great resource, so hopefully you can help!

I'm looking at fitting a 2.5l V6 twin-turbo engine to it, and I need some extra space where the inner arches/suspension turrets are for the turbos to sit, so am looking at alternatives, ways in which I may be able to gain some extra space, maybe by running Locost-style front suspension.

If I understand, "the book" is based on Mk2 Escort stuff - which is what is currently on the front of my Anglia - complete Mk2 Escort front crossmember, steering, and shocks/springs etc - and the current width is absolutely perfect.

So... I'm looking for some further details on the locost-style stuff from "the book", to see whether this might be a viable alternative to the current Mk2 Escort setup, and would buy me more space where I need it.

I could do with, if possible, enough detail/dimensions for wishbones/chassis mounts, so that I could compare this to the current chassis on the Anglia, and see what (if anything) I would need to amend in order to make it all fit.


If anyone could please provide such information, I would be very grateful


Garry

I saw an Anglia at a show last year with a Cosworth engine fitted. It looked like a straightforward fit. Might be simpler than what you are planning for same performance. Just an idea.

Cosworth engines have been done many times!

My original plan was a CA18DET from a Nissan 200SX - but someone's done that, too!

I don't think anyone has done a twin turbo modern V6 yet, so that's why I want to!

We never do these things for an easy life - that's just boring!

This sort of mod has echos of late 1970s special saloon/super saloon racers. You could build a backbone spaceframe chassis with Anglia shape bits around it.


But real trouble is the Anglia is such a narrow car that even if you get rid of the strut towers the engine bay is still going to be very narrow for a turbo V6.


Alternative idea again borrowed from Supersaloons get two Anglia shells cut them in two 4 inches off centre, weld the two wider parts together an get an Anglia that is 8 inches wider than standard.

[Edited on 23/2/11 by britishtrident]

OR look at triumph Herold / spitfire front suspension thats what i fitted to a mini
Jacko


[Edited on 23/2/11 by jacko]

just a quick comment - (my first car was a 105E anglia on a 'C' plate) - I am not surprised the escort stuff fits it - the escort was the Anglia's replacement!

I don't want to:

1) Widen the car
2) Widen the track (ie fit bubble/trailer arches)
3) Space-frame it and make something that "looks like" an Anglia


I don't need a huge amount of extra space



And 30 minutes later with the turbos off:





(If I'm honest, I think the current suspension setup may be OK as is - with a bit of space-framing around the suspension turrets and down to the chassis rails for added strength that'll be taken out by removing or re-designing the current inner wings around the turbos - however my dad thinks fully independent stuff would be best, locost-style, so I'm currently trying to get opinions and options so we can evaluate all options)


jacko - thanks for that picture - certainly something to consider - that looks like just what we're thinking of!


Garry

Are you fitting a roll cage ? on some grass track cars they use to run a tube from the cage though the bulkhead over the top of the struts and down to the chassis front legs .
This may let you cut the inner wings out i would also put a brace from one side to the other too over the engine
that way you can keep the McPherson struts
Jacko
PS i don't know what the MOT would say about doing it this way

[Edited on 23/2/11 by jacko]

More than likely putting a roll cage in it - tied in at multiple locations, will add to the stiffness of the chassis, and of course add protection for myself!


After you posted your photo earlier, I've been perusing Ebay, and have come across a Herald/Spitfire front suspension unit, one complete side, for just £15 - which I've purchased, and it's only just down the road to collect. Even if I get it, try it when I'm next at my dad's, and find it's unsuitable and sell it back on, it's unlikely I'll lose any money on it!


But - keep the ideas coming!

(BTW - my dad's an MOT tester, so he'll know anyway what is and isn't acceptable!)


Garry

[Edited on 23/2/11 by Confused]

[Edited on 23/2/11 by jacko]

Cheers jacko!

That looks pretty good!

My *biggest* issue is that I cannot under any circumstances move, remove or modify the existing suspension turret tops - as this is the only place the chassis number is stamped - doing anything with this would mean a large amount of red tape! My dad unfortunately made that mistake a few years ago of cutting them out and throwing them away - it's one I'm not making myself!!!

http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=72499
Have a read look at this i have just found it
Jacko
Look at page two at the strut tops could you weld your to something like that

[Edited on 23/2/11 by jacko]

PS i love Anglia's use to race them and had them on the road


[Edited on 23/2/11 by jacko]

Why not simply move the engine further back so that the turbo's sit behing the strut positions. That way you also move the weight further back onto the rear axle and get better traction. remember if you have decent grunt you will be spinning the rear wheels in the first 3 gears.
I did this with a 5l TR7 to great effect it is dead easy to cut the bulkhead and the transmission cover just slips backwards you will only have to move the seat and steering wheel back about 4 or 5 inches and that's not really noticeboard from outside

One of the neighbours has a purple Cosworth Anglia and has just finished a yellow Consul Classic. He has a mate on here with an MK I think it is with a roll cage from Wigan way. He's always around there helping but I can't remember his name

Or mount the turbos at the rear end of the car...



ATB

Simon

What about a modest cut'n'shut on the exhaust manifold to rotate the turbos up an inch or two. I did this on a cast cossie mainfold long ago, and it worked well.

Gary

Now that's an interesting setup.
Tough to run the required turbo Oil pressure and Coolant lines to 'back there'
No need to mention that the typ turbo ex manifold pressure runs at 45PSI and that heat retention (energy) is important to getting the most out of the exhaust gas stream.

As shown above - turbo's have the advantage that you can place them almost anywhere although you might need oil scavenge pumps for some locations, maybe in front of the motor. Of course the further from the head they are the more you will have to insulate the exhaust to preserve heat in the gas, or run the motor rich on boost to keep the flames going in the exhaust

It's all about packaging - the best conversions are normally the best thought out location of the components.

I would think it is much easier to spend time re-locating the turbos or converting to a single one than redesigning the whole front end to fit different suspension.

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Originally posted by Ivan
As shown above - turbo's have the advantage that you can place them almost anywhere although you might need oil scavenge pumps for some locations, maybe in front of the motor. Of course the further from the head they are the more you will have to insulate the exhaust to preserve heat in the gas, or run the motor rich on boost to keep the flames going in the exhaust

It's all about packaging - the best conversions are normally the best thought out location of the components.

I would think it is much easier to spend time re-locating the turbos or converting to a single one than redesigning the whole front end to fit different suspension.

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The thing runs rich enough on boost as it is, let alone making it richer!

I picked up today, for the princely sum of just £30, a complete front suspension setup from a Triumph Spitfire.

Even if I don't end up using it, or making it fit, then I shouldn't lose much money on it, and at least it's eliminated one of the thoughts!

Putting the engine backwards would mean it would need to go about 2 feet backwards, relocating turbos is probably the next thing to think about.

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Originally posted by Confused

I don't think anyone has done a twin turbo modern V6 yet, so that's why I want to!

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And that's almost exactly the opposite of what I want to do with mine!

Spaceframe chassis - no thanks
Wide arches - no thanks


I want mine to look, from the outside, as standard as possible.


Much like my dad's one:



But you'd never expect it to actually have a Subaru 1.8 with complete 4WD running gear from just looking at the outside: