Have not posted any progress on my car for a while, as Steve at Fury Sports Cars is pretty busy but it is starting to take shape now.

As some of you may remember it's and Alfa V6 going into a Fury.

With a few chassis mods and pulling the pedal box back it just about fits


Chassis 1


Chassis 2


Gearbox mount


Engine in chassis


Alfa V6 in Fury Chassis

I'm not a fan of the Sierra steering column, so Steve is trying to use the Alfa 164 unit


Alfa steering column


Alfa steering column 2

I have to say the quality of steve's work is fab and I can't wait to get the chassis in the garage and start the build, but first it's got to be hot zinc sprayed and powder coated.

Your thoughts and comments are welcome!

Mark

Thats gonna be amazing when its finished
What gearbox is it ? I looked at using the Alfa V6 , but found shortening the pedalbox on a completed car a bit daunting !

Thanks

Gearbox is from a 5 speed Mazda RX8, mating it to the engine was pretty straight forward, just have to wait and see what the clutch is like!

Mark

very nice. love the alfa v6 it makes a fab noise. is the box a straight bolt on job or needs an adaptor plate?

[Edited on 4/9/2011 by ashg]

Needs an adaptor plate (home made), this can be seen in the last engine picture

Mark

I saw this chassis in production when I went to the factory at the end of July. As you say, the craftmanship and quality of Steves work is great and he is very knowledgeable at what he does.

Be very interested to see this as it continues through the build. Will be placing my order with Steve very soon (just waiting for Steve to send me the new price list).

Please continue to post images

Glad to see this project ! - I also toyed with the idea of the 12V Alfa V6 into my (live axle) Fury.. a decision purely driven by the fabulous sound of the engine on what would be fairly short run exhaust pipes.

In the end I took the easy option and went for all Caterham 1.8 k-series running gear (engine, box, bellhousing, electrics etc..) - but still have the hankering idea to (one day) drop in the alfa engine, post IVA etc.

Keep us posted on the build - it will be great to see (and hear !) when finished.

Are there any bonnet clearance issues?
Does look good and the sound will be amazing

Might need a small bonnet bulge over the inlet manifold, depends on how low Steve has managed to get it with reasonable ground clearance

Mark

Mark - are you using the stock flywheel ?
I had a custom one made for my alfa v6, (easy way of getting a clutch to fit), but then found out that the engine is externally balanced - ie the flywheel is out-of-balance. So the whole short engine has to be balanced together, which is more £££. Just so you know...

So that's the 150 hp 2 valve Early version?
Haven't seen one of those for years.

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Originally posted by Bare
So that's the 150 hp 2 valve Early version?
Haven't seen one of those for years.

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why have a bonnet bulge just have a hole to show off the inlet pipes in all their chrome goodness.

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why have a bonnet bulge just have a hole to show off the inlet pipes in all their chrome goodness.

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The Alfa V6 is an amazing engine. its only draw back could be said its a little heavy coming in near enough the same as a rover V8.

I have owned and run cars with these engines in for years and in all states of tune. I have even rebuilt one in a pit garage at silverstone for a stratos kit running in the british GT's back in the late 90's.

The 12 valve has a great flat torque curve producing max torque at just over 1500 Rpm all the way to 6500/7000.

The best power mods are:

raise the compression to about 10.5 to 1.

Gas flow the heads.

a good set of cams, not autodelta ones you wont be impressed, if you need info get intouch.

An aftermarket ECU will see an instant 20 Bhp rise (so a touch over 200 Bhp on a standard motor) from getting rid of the airflow meter. Dont bother with throttle bodies on a 12V it does not have the gas speed to use them. A 24V though responds well to them and you can see upto 280 Bhp just by fitting them and an ECU (220 Bhp as standard).

My last tuned 12V made 260 Bhp and was only a touch lumpy in traffic. This also ran standard exhaust manifolds.

as for sorting out a clutch use the 164 flywheel and you wont need to balance it.

Gearboxes I have a modified cosworth T5 i had a few extra nugets welded on to match the block, then used a saab release bearing/slave inside the bellhousing.


If you need to know anything else give me a shout.

Matt

[Edited on 25/9/11 by locobladeracer]

[Edited on 25/9/11 by locobladeracer]

Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.

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Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.

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Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.

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Bare. what reliability issues do you refer to as I know of only 2 that inflict the Alfa V6 and one is the engine/ecu/fuel pump relay and the valve guide oil seals going at about 125000 miles.

They sound better and generally produce more torque than any other V6 of the same capacity.

its also very simple.

[Edited on 1/10/11 by locobladeracer]

The newest Honda Accord has a 275bhp V6 but I doubt you'll find one of those complete with ancilliaries for £70....
I still have an Alfa V6 with a munched top end if anyone wants it for scrap price? I sold the other engine complete with the V6 to Type9 bellhousing, shortened sump and pickup, modified alternator, altered low plenum and rocker covers, hydraulic concentric slave cylinder,etc for about £25 on Ebay a few months ago.

ETA linky.. http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=152796&page=2

[Edited on 1/10/11 by owelly]

Hi All

BlackFlash: yes stock 164 fly wheel, with a machined bearing holder for the spigot shaft, that aligns in the end of the crankshaft. Will all be lightened and balanced anyway.
I'm using a 164 plenum which is the same as yours. 75 V6 plenums are central but a lot higher!

I have been following your build sight with great interest, keep up the good work.

I've owned several Alfas and allways wanted a V6. To be honest I started out with the engine and thought "what can I put that in "

Locobladeracer: Thanks for the info, have just been reading the Alfa V6 tunung manual that just came out. Not going to go too mad, but will run aftermarket ECU, up the compresion ratio, good exhaust system, lighten and balanced bottom end.
Then if it still feels slow when it's built I've god another engine I can build up to a bigger spec.

ETA What's the top rpm with a standard bottom end?

Mark

[Edited on 1/10/11 by Markymark]

i have run 12V to 7500 Rpm with no problems and had a 24V to 8000 Rpm. The bottom ends are very good. The only failures I have seen are on racing cars. I have had one spin a big end bearing and one major blow up, but this engine had been raced hard for 4 seasons with out a rebuild.

hope this helps.

Thanks, thought that was the case, they just run out of power just under 6k in standard form, so with work mentioned above would you expect there to be any more power higher up the rev range?

Thanks for all the info, it's realy helpful

Mark

As with all engine tuning you put cams in and head work. It will make more power and torque but it will all move up the rev range. If you need any work doing I will put you in touch with the right guy.

Thanks I keep that in mind

Mark

A thread resurrection worthy of Lazarus

Hi thought I would update this thread, still not a lot of progress made I'm afraid.

Had a lot of building work done, including making my garage twice the size

So


Chasis comes home


Got the chassis home from my sisters garage into my new carpeted garage


Build tables

Made some build tables


Chassis on build tables

and put it on


Floor pans drilled

Drilled floor pans ready for fitting

Will turn it over and drill the transmission tunnel panels before I fit them though

It's so good to finally be able to start putting it together

Mark

At least it's your own thread to resurrect.
Good work hope to see it running soon. Going to be easier and more rewarding with a proper space to do it in

Keep us posted on your progress.

I've just picked up locobladeracer's Alfa 12v powered Haynes roadster to complete and a engine assy for £250
(how long until someone says you could build a car for that?)

Have a look in my photo archive under MD7.

Regards Dan.

i have an alfa v6 12v in my haynes ,been using it for 3 years,having tried a 3.6 and a3.3 i ended up with a 3.1 diff and lsd,rebuilt engine with cams makes 1st gear an ornament,using gartrac 3 series box,have used standard injection system and has been very reliable,using a competition spinner only ,this works well with hyd clutch and no grab,you may not need to tune as wheelspin is quite a problem,santapod 3rd gear starts 13.7 100mph,2nd gear with better tyres would be bit quicker,now on toyos t1r,much better.doing autosolos just about last 8 events,the wiring for standard engine is very easy compared to most nowadays,the larger intakes of a24 valve and throttle body i am told fits,i am running two separate 3in to1 pipes with r1 cans,not quite the sound i wanted but not to noisey and slightly unusual,would prefer a sngle exhaust like one of my previous cars,may change later,anybody want any info utu me or call 07957617548

That's not Phil Clegg originally from Preston by any chance?

Alan B

Hi Phil

Would love to see some pics of your car sounds great.

I discounted BMW gearboxes because 1st always seems too short.

Will no doubt have little use for 1st gear too, but hey ho.

Am going to put a ballance pipe in the exhaust to try and stop it sounding like 2 triples!

Mark