So I read this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21912618
And it got me thinking.... I would quite like a Ferrari so I am going to visit the dealership when it opens in the morning. If they ask me to prove if
I can afford one I will take them to court because it's against my human rights to deny me something because I cant afford it....
Anyone else find that BBC report quite angering?
The question as to who pays the £12,900 if the student can't remains unanswered.... and bringing human rights into the economic argument is going to accelerate this country into its benkrupt 3rd world status....
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Originally posted by r1_pete
The question as to who pays the £12,900 if the student can't remains unanswered.... and bringing human rights into the economic argument is going to accelerate this country into its benkrupt 3rd world status....
Imagine if you tried to get a phone contract and they wanted you to prove you had enough money for the full year. It's the same concept, he's not trying to get it free, just saying that he can't prove he can afford it - which is totally different to not being able to afford it. If he doesn't pay up on time, I assume he gets kicked out.
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Originally posted by JoelP
Imagine if you tried to get a phone contract and they wanted you to prove you had enough money for the full year. It's the same concept, he's not trying to get it free, just saying that he can't prove he can afford it - which is totally different to not being able to afford it. If he doesn't pay up on time, I assume he gets kicked out.
If I understand the article correctly, it was Living expenses that was the issue, not tuition.
to borrow the allegory, its like going to a Ferrari dealership, your offer to purchase is refused because you cant prove you can afford the gas and
insurance.
rather stupid I think, as long as he pays the tuition and meets all academic criteria, what business is it of theirs if he wants to live on the
street.
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Originally posted by JoelP
Imagine having to send in bank statement, proof of income etc when you want car insurance, mobile phone contracts, broadband, satellite or cable tv, etc
Cambridge has rules about taking jobs while you study i.e. you are not allowed to work a job while studying there, on the basis that it effects
academic performance which obviously they want to preserve as it is what sets them apart.
So they make sure potential students can afford to pay for their living expenses before letting them in, nothing to do with tuition fees.
Presumabily Oxford has the same.
Look at it another way, how would you feel if you were applying for a post Graduate course, didn't get it, and then the person that did dropped
out?
I'm a strong believer that organisations like Universities should have the rights to decide who does and doesn't get places (Obviously as
long as they think it's actually relevent) as they want people to be sucessful and it's in there intrest to make sure the people they take
on will get through the course.
If you've ever paid your car insurance monthly, or had a phone contract, they will have credit checked you, and that will be for totals in
hundreds. £13K isn't an amount you can just pull from the ether, as someone else said you can't work and do a degree like that, either he
has the support or he doesn't and the only reason I can think off for not providing evidence is either purely to be a pain or because who ever is
supplying it is committing some form of fraud.
Which ever way you see this issue, hopefully we can all see the amusing aspect of tegwins post - complaining about poor reporting whilst
misrepresenting the issue himself! Its not about the chap trying to get his accomodation free, so the ferrari analogy doesnt hold.
The human right he's asking for is the right to default on his debts.
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magine if you tried to get a phone contract and they wanted you to prove you had enough money for the full year. I
You mostly seem to have missed the fact the the £12k is arbitary - it's the colleges estimation of a years living costs, so as such it is not
owed to anyone at all. To continue the phone analogy, what if they wanted you to prove you could cover potential data costs of several thousand quid,
even if you never intended to go over your data allowance?
What if this chap was planning on staying in the locality with relatives and thus didnt need anything at all for accomodation?
It should also be noted that judgement was reserved in the case, the college decided to change its policy anyway.
Universities are by their very definition, elitist, and sometimes arbitrary. If you don't like one place, go to another, more
"accomodating" place, and don't waste the toffs' time. I don't want my elitist higher education watered down. I want all that
work I did to make me look markedly "better" than all the other people who couldn't get into the programmes, for whatever reason. You
do all these things in order to get a leg up on any competition out there in the big bad world, because you will forever after, be a member of an
exclusive club.
Bloody hell; soon enough women will want to go.
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Originally posted by RK
Universities are by their very definition, elitist, and sometimes arbitrary.