iwbunting
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| posted on 6/5/04 at 11:31 PM |
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De dion V Sierra donor
I have just read some past threads about Robin hoods use of the Sierra rear tube/arm assembly.Would i be correct in assuming that a de dion will
handle better than the Sierra all-in-one unit.
If de dion is the way to go,does anyone have any drawings.
All ideas on this are eagerly awaited.
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James
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| posted on 6/5/04 at 11:58 PM |
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The De Dion system is way better than the massively heavy trailing arm backend of a Sierra.
I have no drawings but check out the GTS Tuning site:
http://www.gtstuning.co.uk
They sell a really nice De Dion kit that I believe includes all the bits you need for the backend of your car (apart from a Sierra diff that is!!! 
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Hope that helps,
James
P.S. No connection to GTS.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 07:07 AM |
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James is right it is no contest de Dion wins every time
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 07:46 AM |
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Does anyone know what exactly comes with the GTS De Dion kit? The website dosen't provide much detail.
How hard would it be to widen this for a +4 inch chassis?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 08:14 AM |
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I assume you mean the de dion axle kit not the whole car!....You get the de dion tube (includes brackets for drum/disk brakes), the four trailing arms
and the panhard rod.
I believe people have asked about widening it before...i cant remember the answer though! But i think it was a case of ask them nicely and they might
make you one...
Cheers,
David
[Edited on 7/5/04 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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James
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 08:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Does anyone know what exactly comes with the GTS De Dion kit? The website dosen't provide much detail.
How hard would it be to widen this for a +4 inch chassis?
Have a look in the GTS section- I'm pretty sure it includes trailing arms, panhard rod, the De Dion tube and the PU bushes/inserts ie. all you
need for a back end where you know the geometry is right!
EDIT: As far as +4" goes there's someone who's done this: was it Mackie/Blueshift? I'm pretty sure Darren gave them
instructions on how to +4" it.
James
[Edited on 7/5/04 by James]
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ned
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 08:21 AM |
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I've bought all the bits i need for my rear end off Darren, dedion tube, panhard rod, rod end, bushes, crush tubes, bolts, dif mounts and a
couple of other bits, track rod ends and it all came to about £200 as a guide.
a dedion tube is vastly lighter and probably more accurate geometry wise htan the sierra beam/arm arrangement if you were to tr yand reuse it.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 12:09 PM |
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if you do use the sierra back end, it weighs much much more - you can barely lift it even with no wheels on. Plus, you need to install it at the
correct angle to get the back camber right. i have what appears to be 5-10 degrees of rear camber. good for donuts maybe, crap for handling.
strongly reccommend getting a dedion.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 01:06 PM |
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My +4" chassis currently has the IRS from a Tiger Avon welded to the rear by it's previous owner. However, I'm going to have to
remake all the wishbones anyway, and the chassis was originaly built for a beam axle so this really sounds like an ideal solution.
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mackie
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 02:17 PM |
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We are indeed planning on putting a GTS kit into our +4 but we aint done it yet.
Darren was going to talk to the guy who makes em and see if he can rejig it for +4. Not sure what came of it though, I'll ask blueshift.
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blueshift
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 03:35 PM |
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Darrren said to email him and remind him to ask his fabrication guy if he'd be prepared to change the jig to make +4" dedion tubes. I
haven't got around to it yet.
He did say though that if he wasn't prepared to to that, they should be able to sell us the tube welded up with hub carriers, and the suspension
bracket parts separately so we can weld them on ourselves.
That wouldn't be too bad I recon, the tube would be welded professionally and with correct geometry, which is the important bit.
Darren also mentioned that they make the tube with parallel geometry and if you want some camber and toe, you put it in with shims between the hub
carrier and tube. Just FYI.
I need to take the exact measurements off our CAD model at home and email darren.. mackie, remind me sweetie?
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mackie
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| posted on 7/5/04 at 11:10 PM |
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Ok hon.
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craig1410
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| posted on 8/5/04 at 08:49 PM |
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Whilst I totally agree that the GTS kit is the way to go, I do have some DIY drawings on my website for the de-dion axle which I myself built. It uses
the same sierra bits as the GTS kit.
Of particular interest (maybe...) is the way that I have accommodated a standard book width de-dion axle into a +4" chassis. I think Darren had
some concerns that the GTS de-dion kit may have clearance issues if widened to +4" so you may want to consider fitting it in the same way that I
have done. Think it through carefully though because there are a few implications of this redesign. Nothing major so far though. Hopefully the GTS
axle can be widened to suit the +4" chassis as this will be the best solution.
Cheers,
Craig.
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billy
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| posted on 10/5/04 at 10:47 PM |
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de dion
well lads just remember that the panhard rod may hit the chassie. if it dos you will need to use a rose joint to give you more clearance. i had
to.....
luego-lo-cost finished,vauxhall 16v 2.0,twin 45s de-dion rear set up
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Rob Allison
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 12:36 PM |
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I have CAD drawings for the setup craig has if anyone is after them let me know.
Craig if you want to put them on your web site i'll pass them on to you.
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mangogroove
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 03:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by billy
well lads just remember that the panhard rod may hit the chassie. if it dos you will need to use a rose joint to give you more clearance. i had
to.....
The other problem is that the petrol tank has to be slightly narrower than stock GTS tank fits great
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Mr G
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| posted on 11/5/04 at 03:44 PM |
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We used the stock tank but mounted it higher on an extra welded in bar so that it was out the way of the new location and movement of the panhard
rod.
G
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dozracing
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| posted on 12/5/04 at 07:13 AM |
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A GTS de dion won't hit a GTS chassis rod end or no rod end.
GTS fuel tank is slightly narrower but also uses different mount arrangement to get over having to use ugly straps.
Darren
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