FuryRebuild
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 09:16 AM |
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My Fury's corner weights are as follows (and pinto to duratec?)
FL: 174 .... FR: 187
RL: 189 .... RR: 214
That's in KG, and accounts for my considerable 100KG mass, so you could remove on average 30 each from the right hand side and 20 from the
left.
That also includes the tall heavy pinto - another reason why I'm thinking of going from pinto to duratec, by keeping my pair of 45 twin
dellortos, fabricating an inlet manifold, exhaust manifold, changing bellhousing, lightened flywheel and megajolt.
Anyone done this swap before?
Do you know of good threads for advice?
Any gotchas out there I need to be wary of?
Thanks
Mark
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roadrunner
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 10:13 AM |
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for your corner weights , just add the opposite corners together. The total of each diagonal should be as close as possible. So, o/f+ n/r = n/f+o/r.
As for the engine bit, there should be someone along soon with information for you.
Brad.
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FuryRebuild
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 10:17 AM |
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Thanks Brad
I'm starting to get a feel for the forums here - really helpful people with great experience. I wish i had this when I built my fury the first
time around.
I can't help feeling that the next set of mods in a couple of years will be the S2000 engine i want, and remaking the chassis in 4130 to lighten
it again - more strength for less weight. That combination will require a certain amount of political work to gain wife approval.
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JeffHs
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 11:05 AM |
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Has anyone definitive figures re duratec vs pinto weight? I've been thinking of changing too but beginning to think it's not worth the
hassle. As for height, there's nothing in it. My 1600 pinto on RS sump is out of the car at the moment and measures 24 inches from floor to top
of cam cover - exactly the same as a 1.8 silvertop I measured last night. Admittedly 2L pintos are marginally taller and the oil filler/breather on
the pinto ia a good bit higher but most people move it to the rear to fix that.
Granted the modern engine is much sweeter, but I rather like the rough and ready old school stuff - must be my age!
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roadrunner
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 11:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by FuryRebuild
Thanks Brad
That combination will require a certain amount of political work to gain wife approval.
I know how you feel.
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FuryRebuild
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 11:59 AM |
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Jeff,
I was lucky enough to a burton rocker cover, so I machined off the top breather cap pipe, sealed it, tapped the side of the cover near the back, and
routed that output and the block-breather output to a 2L catch tank. I have the kind of breather valve on the block that is more or less straight
though. The guy from Burtons explained to me that the point is to let it breathe, so they remove virtually all the resistance from the value.
The upshot is it kicks a lot of crap into the catch tank (especially water and detergent - there's a lot in oil) and it needs emptying
occasionally.
Rebreathing that just loses horsepower.
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dave r
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 12:35 PM |
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according to the scales i borrowed from work.............
pinto versus duaratec, and going from a cast iron bell housing to a titan alloy one, its about 45kg difference
quote:
Originally posted by JeffHs
Has anyone definitive figures re duratec vs pinto weight? I've been thinking of changing too but beginning to think it's not worth the
hassle. As for height, there's nothing in it. My 1600 pinto on RS sump is out of the car at the moment and measures 24 inches from floor to top
of cam cover - exactly the same as a 1.8 silvertop I measured last night. Admittedly 2L pintos are marginally taller and the oil filler/breather on
the pinto ia a good bit higher but most people move it to the rear to fix that.
Granted the modern engine is much sweeter, but I rather like the rough and ready old school stuff - must be my age!
I'd love to give my imaginary friend a great big hug,
but this jacket makes it impossible.
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snapper
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 03:13 PM |
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45Kg less weight and an easy 200bhp
It has cost me 2k for 180bhp and 8000rpm in a Pinto
The duratec can go to 225 with a set of cams and a lot more with rods and pistons.
It'll give the S2000 a run for its money in torque
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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FuryRebuild
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 03:25 PM |
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I think I've gone over to the dark side, Snapper.
My plan now is:
2.0L blacktop - 2.3's seem very thin on the ground. I have seen a 2.5 turbo with all ancilliaries in for £1400 but that's more than I
want to pay up front, and will involve the complexities of moving over to fuel injection.
My half baked plan currently is:
- Blacktop 2.0
- Depending on engine height in my fury fabricate a lower sump in stainless
- keep my 45 dellortos (and get rejetted of course, possibly rechoked depending on how well the head breathes)
- megajolt
- new exhaust manifold
- bellhousing to mate to my 4 speed quaife (from RWD)
- lightened flywheel (again, RWD)
- see if my rs2000 clutch holds out - it's been good so far
- fabricate inlet manifold and new exhaust
- keep running it on shell optimax with aldon booster
I'm hoping that lot with a couple of hours at bogg-brothers will get me 180+. I appreciate your thoughts
Depending on funds, i may be able to stretch to a pair of cams, but that's a wait and see. I'd sooner get it running well, buy the cams
later and fit them with Boggs to set up there and then.
I'm hoping my pinto and big-valve head and lairy cam will go some way to absorbing the cost of this. Saying that, the flywheel and bellhousing
and megajolt were all mods I was going to make anyway.
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jeffw
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 05:17 PM |
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Blacktop on carbs is 160-170 territory. 180+ is with cams and anything over 195BHP is head work, big cams and hi-comp pistons/forged rods. I know
someone will be along saying they made 180 with carbs but these are the figures I've seen in the last 5 years of changing specs on my blacktop
(my silvertop on webbers only made 150BHP).
Have a look at the various stages that Raceline sale and see what figures they quote.
[Edited on 3/2/12 by jeffw]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 05:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by FuryRebuild
FL: 174 .... FR: 187
RL: 189 .... RR: 214
Looks to me (and ive very limited knowledge of setup), but logic would dicate that if you decrease the ride height on the RR and/or increase it on the
FL that would balance the weight more even accross that diaganol?
Maybe my logic is flawed!
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FuryRebuild
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 05:37 PM |
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@loggyboy
That's the current spec - it's being taken to bits now, and then ride-height will be resorted when I put it together. I am working with
Cornering Force to get the spec right, and will take their advice on ride heights.
Yes though - good idea.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 06:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by FuryRebuild
@loggyboy
That's the current spec - it's being taken to bits now, and then ride-height will be resorted when I put it together. I am working with
Cornering Force to get the spec right, and will take their advice on ride heights.
Yes though - good idea.
Oh i thought you were after comments on them! I guess they a largely irrelevant after all the planned changes! lol
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se7ensport
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| posted on 3/2/12 at 07:19 PM |
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I've got a Stylus which shares about 95%+ chassis design with the Fury and looked at the s2000, it'll only fit with transmission tunnel
mods as its a wide old box.
Take a look at these two threads for a fair bit of relevant info on a Stylus/Fury engine swap:
Engine options
Duratec conversion
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