Markymark
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 07:22 PM |
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Fury chassis for Alfa V6
Have not posted any progress on my car for a while, as Steve at Fury Sports Cars is pretty busy but it is starting to take shape now.
As some of you may remember it's and Alfa V6 going into a Fury.
With a few chassis mods and pulling the pedal box back it just about fits 
 
Chassis 1
 
Chassis 2
 
Gearbox mount
 
Engine in chassis
 
Alfa V6 in Fury Chassis
I'm not a fan of the Sierra steering column, so Steve is trying to use the Alfa 164 unit
 
Alfa steering column
 
Alfa steering column 2
I have to say the quality of steve's work is fab and I can't wait to get the chassis in the garage and start the build, but first
it's got to be hot zinc sprayed and powder coated.
Your thoughts and comments are welcome!
Mark
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clairetoo
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 07:33 PM |
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Thats gonna be amazing when its finished 
What gearbox is it ? I looked at using the Alfa V6 , but found shortening the pedalbox on a completed car a bit daunting !
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Markymark
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 07:44 PM |
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Thanks
Gearbox is from a 5 speed Mazda RX8, mating it to the engine was pretty straight forward, just have to wait and see what the clutch is like!
Mark
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ashg
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 07:48 PM |
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very nice. love the alfa v6 it makes a fab noise. is the box a straight bolt on job or needs an adaptor plate?
[Edited on 4/9/2011 by ashg]
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Markymark
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 08:08 PM |
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Needs an adaptor plate (home made), this can be seen in the last engine picture
Mark
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tims31
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 08:32 PM |
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I saw this chassis in production when I went to the factory at the end of July. As you say, the craftmanship and quality of Steves work is great and
he is very knowledgeable at what he does.
Be very interested to see this as it continues through the build. Will be placing my order with Steve very soon (just waiting for Steve to send me the
new price list).
Please continue to post images
Build: http://www.martinsfurybuild.co.uk/
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dickie b
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| posted on 4/9/11 at 09:03 PM |
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Glad to see this project ! - I also toyed with the idea of the 12V Alfa V6 into my (live axle) Fury.. a decision purely driven by the fabulous sound
of the engine on what would be fairly short run exhaust pipes.
In the end I took the easy option and went for all Caterham 1.8 k-series running gear (engine, box, bellhousing, electrics etc..) - but still have the
hankering idea to (one day) drop in the alfa engine, post IVA etc.
Keep us posted on the build - it will be great to see (and hear !) when finished.
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snapper
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| posted on 5/9/11 at 05:48 AM |
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Are there any bonnet clearance issues?
Does look good and the sound will be amazing
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Markymark
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| posted on 5/9/11 at 12:59 PM |
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Might need a small bonnet bulge over the inlet manifold, depends on how low Steve has managed to get it with reasonable ground clearance
Mark
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 12/9/11 at 08:45 PM |
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Mark - are you using the stock flywheel ?
I had a custom one made for my alfa v6, (easy way of getting a clutch to fit), but then found out that the engine is externally balanced - ie the
flywheel is out-of-balance. So the whole short engine has to be balanced together, which is more £££. Just so you know...
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Bare
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| posted on 13/9/11 at 04:30 PM |
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2 valve?
So that's the 150 hp 2 valve Early version?
Haven't seen one of those for years.
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clairetoo
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| posted on 13/9/11 at 04:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bare
So that's the 150 hp 2 valve Early version?
Haven't seen one of those for years.
I thought they were 196BHP.................? The 2.0 L twin spark were 150 , and felt totally gutless after driving a 3.0 (I two V6's , swapped
down to a twin-spark to try and save some petrol money , and I hated it  )
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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ashg
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| posted on 13/9/11 at 05:35 PM |
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why have a bonnet bulge just have a hole to show off the inlet pipes in all their chrome goodness.
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 13/9/11 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ashg
why have a bonnet bulge just have a hole to show off the inlet pipes in all their chrome goodness.
Funny you should say that, here's what I did last week:
Might be a bit too subtle though
I think that the 12v has a more sensible central plenum, rather than the offset one I've got. So a central scoop or bulge would work.
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 25/9/11 at 09:02 PM |
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The Alfa V6 is an amazing engine. its only draw back could be said its a little heavy coming in near enough the same as a rover V8.
I have owned and run cars with these engines in for years and in all states of tune. I have even rebuilt one in a pit garage at silverstone for a
stratos kit running in the british GT's back in the late 90's.
The 12 valve has a great flat torque curve producing max torque at just over 1500 Rpm all the way to 6500/7000.
The best power mods are:
raise the compression to about 10.5 to 1.
Gas flow the heads.
a good set of cams, not autodelta ones you wont be impressed, if you need info get intouch.
An aftermarket ECU will see an instant 20 Bhp rise (so a touch over 200 Bhp on a standard motor) from getting rid of the airflow meter. Dont bother
with throttle bodies on a 12V it does not have the gas speed to use them. A 24V though responds well to them and you can see upto 280 Bhp just by
fitting them and an ECU (220 Bhp as standard).
My last tuned 12V made 260 Bhp and was only a touch lumpy in traffic. This also ran standard exhaust manifolds.
as for sorting out a clutch use the 164 flywheel and you wont need to balance it.
Gearboxes I have a modified cosworth T5 i had a few extra nugets welded on to match the block, then used a saab release bearing/slave inside the
bellhousing.
If you need to know anything else give me a shout.
Matt
[Edited on 25/9/11 by locobladeracer]
[Edited on 25/9/11 by locobladeracer]
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Bare
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 01:49 AM |
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Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 09:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bare
Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.
Which Honda has the 275bhp V6? And more importantly, can it be bought as easily and for similar money to the Alfa?
Hopefully we aren't talking about the NSX...
[Edited on 1/10/11 by MikeRJ]
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mrwibble
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 11:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bare
Ok... V6 Honda motor is 275 hp, likely Lighter and For Sure A helluva lot more reliable.
but its an ALFA v6!
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 01:07 PM |
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Bare. what reliability issues do you refer to as I know of only 2 that inflict the Alfa V6 and one is the engine/ecu/fuel pump relay and the valve
guide oil seals going at about 125000 miles.
They sound better and generally produce more torque than any other V6 of the same capacity.
its also very simple.
[Edited on 1/10/11 by locobladeracer]
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owelly
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 01:17 PM |
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The newest Honda Accord has a 275bhp V6 but I doubt you'll find one of those complete with ancilliaries for £70....
I still have an Alfa V6 with a munched top end if anyone wants it for scrap price? I sold the other engine complete with the V6 to Type9 bellhousing,
shortened sump and pickup, modified alternator, altered low plenum and rocker covers, hydraulic concentric slave cylinder,etc for about £25 on Ebay a
few months ago.
ETA linky.. http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=152796&page=2
[Edited on 1/10/11 by owelly]
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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Markymark
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| posted on 1/10/11 at 04:03 PM |
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Hi All
BlackFlash: yes stock 164 fly wheel, with a machined bearing holder for the spigot shaft, that aligns in the end of the crankshaft. Will all be
lightened and balanced anyway.
I'm using a 164 plenum which is the same as yours. 75 V6 plenums are central but a lot higher!
I have been following your build sight with great interest, keep up the good work.
I've owned several Alfas and allways wanted a V6. To be honest I started out with the engine and thought "what can I put that in
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Locobladeracer: Thanks for the info, have just been reading the Alfa V6 tunung manual that just came out. Not going to go too mad, but will run
aftermarket ECU, up the compresion ratio, good exhaust system, lighten and balanced bottom end.
Then if it still feels slow when it's built I've god another engine I can build up to a bigger spec.
ETA What's the top rpm with a standard bottom end?
Mark
[Edited on 1/10/11 by Markymark]
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 2/10/11 at 08:24 AM |
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i have run 12V to 7500 Rpm with no problems and had a 24V to 8000 Rpm. The bottom ends are very good. The only failures I have seen are on racing
cars. I have had one spin a big end bearing and one major blow up, but this engine had been raced hard for 4 seasons with out a rebuild.
hope this helps.
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Markymark
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| posted on 2/10/11 at 10:58 AM |
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Thanks, thought that was the case, they just run out of power just under 6k in standard form, so with work mentioned above would you expect there to
be any more power higher up the rev range?
Thanks for all the info, it's realy helpful
Mark
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locobladeracer
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| posted on 2/10/11 at 01:31 PM |
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As with all engine tuning you put cams in and head work. It will make more power and torque but it will all move up the rev range. If you need any
work doing I will put you in touch with the right guy.
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Markymark
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| posted on 2/10/11 at 04:19 PM |
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Thanks I keep that in mind
Mark
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