Opirun
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 09:20 PM |
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Recommendation on budget chassis for bike engined build
Hi all,
I am looking at options for a bike engined kit (first build). Does anyone have any recommendations of chassis for my build. I have been looking at
Tiger, MK and GBS Zero, however, in my other post in the BEC section someone suggested MNR. Looking forward to learning from your experiences and
suggestions. Thanks.
At the moment I am looking at cheaper carbed engine options, perhaps R1 or Fireblade.
Thanks.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 09:32 PM |
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If you are on a budget the GBS zero looks like its worth a look. whilst MNR make a good chassis it is hardly a budget option
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Opirun
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 10:11 PM |
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MNR make a good chassis it is hardly a budget option
That kind of makes the decision for me then 
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If you are on a budget the GBS zero looks like its worth a look
I don't know how well I could integrate a bike engine with the GBS zero option?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 10:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Opirun
I don't know how well I could integrate a bike engine with the GBS zero option?
Best thing is to ask them - they might be able to supply what you need. 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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HappyFather
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 10:45 PM |
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I replied on your other thread. Consider Aries Locoblade (http://www.ariesmotorsport.co.uk), for a budget but good chassis that is planed
for a BEC installation.
And Steve's support is marvellous.
And Aries is just 30 miles away from you.
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NigeEss
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| posted on 31/3/13 at 11:19 PM |
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+1 for Aries, AKA Stuart Taylor (well, ex ST anyway).
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.................Douglas Adams.
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renetom
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 08:08 AM |
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Pretty much all of them are good
When you fit the bike engine with
cradle it stiffens the front end considerably .
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daniel mason
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 09:33 AM |
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i dont think there will be much difference in price between most of them, westfield and caterham not included!
budgets get blown on fancy bits, digi dashes,ecus,carbon fibre,alloy etc. if you keep it basic for now you will build any of them on a budget. then
once your confident in the car, upgrade bits as you see fit! good luck,
another thing to consider is resale value. some hold there value far better than others so one thing to consider is that if they all cost similar
amount to build then look at current second hand values of each model! this way you can get an idea of what its worth once complete
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 09:42 AM |
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for a budget build buy part built.
Its a bit of extra hassel unpicking someone elses work first, but you save a considerable amount. Just make sure you buy a decent brand, as some home
made locost part builts are badly made/welded.
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 01:01 PM |
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Thanks everyone, lots to think about. I figured that something like a well built mk would sell for a better price that a , this is not to say that
they are a better kit, just shear branding.
Part build is a nice idea, but as you say quite subjective to each kit. Are engine mounts typically ready for a bike engine or is custom modification
required?
[Edited on 1/4/13 by Opirun]
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daniel mason
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 01:18 PM |
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you would need custom mounts unless buying a new chassis. i know MNR cater for all bike engines and make cradles to suit. and they fit! which is more
than can be said for some!
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 03:42 PM |
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Ah ok, I see, such as this (as an example) http://www.mksportscars.com/parts-engine-mounts.html
I am quite surprised and impressed that this is all this is required for mounting the bike engine into the chassis, or am I missing something?
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renetom
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 04:31 PM |
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That looks like the cradle we purchased from MK
for our R1 engine
There is also a crossbrace & 2 lower mountings
Which have to be welded into the chassis which
are not shown, but easy enough to fit.
and they come with the kit.
As for the chassis, I would buy a chassis made by a kit car manufacturer , not from
some guy who's welded it up in a shed somewhere, you may want to drive it hard
and its your life on the line .
Many years ago I was an inspector at an engineering company in Dorking who make road sweepers , one guy who was welding engine mountings was an
artist
his welds were the most beautiful Ive ever seen, but bash them with a hammer & they fell to bits.
This is not intended to disrespect those guys who have made their own chassis.
Some are probably better than manufacturers ones, but if you don't know
The guys qualifications , beware.
Just a personal opinion .
[Edited on 1/4/13 by renetom]
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 04:52 PM |
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Thanks renetom.
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 04:58 PM |
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Just wondering why I don't often see the CBR1000 engine being used in a kit car? Anyone know why?
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Tazzzzman1
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 posted on 1/4/13 at 05:08 PM |
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Check out Roadrunner racing also. Reckon a Bike engine would drop in an SR2 pretty easy, as the kit is light weight to begin with. If not they are
developing the LM1 bike engned car. Now would be a good time to talk with them and negotiate a bargain...
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ReMan
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 05:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Opirun
Just wondering why I don't often see the CBR1000 engine being used in a kit car? Anyone know why?
Presume you meant the old '92 ish
Theyre old and heavy, other than that no reason why not, they're good engines, my mate has one in his
www.plusnine.co.uk
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 05:26 PM |
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Sorry, I meant something like this
Honda CBR1000RR CBR 1000 RR Fireblade 04 ''RR4'' Engine Assembly-read description | eBay
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ReMan
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 05:35 PM |
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Nothing wrong with them, in fact they race with them
But theyre not budget.
That's nothing except bare engine, so another few £00 to get it running
www.plusnine.co.uk
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 06:16 PM |
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Thanks ReMan,
Not sure what would be a good example of something ready to drop into a kit? Just so I know and learn what I should be searching and looking out
for.
[Edited on 1/4/13 by Opirun]
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40inches
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 06:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Opirun
Just wondering why I don't often see the CBR1000 engine being used in a kit car? Anyone know why?
One here> http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=180060
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 08:02 PM |
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Thanks 40inches, I will take a look.
Seeing as I am in the chassis section. I wonder how these kits compare in terms of handling and if any of them suffer from any obvious design issues?
Would be interesting to find out more about the chassis in terms of there engineering and performance.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 08:28 PM |
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the problem is you want budget chassis but good handling etc! its all relative but to get some of the above to handle like a well sorted striker/fury
or westy will cost quite a bit of money.
building a new car will definately cost you far more than buying part built or built as many on here will testify!
theres a cracking little bec striker for sale on pistonheads in spaceframe section with a brian james trailer and he will let it go for under £5k all
in as i have spoken to him about it a few weeks ago. a bit of tlc and it would be a very quick car and give you scope to upgrade when you get used to
it!
[Edited on 1/4/13 by daniel mason]
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Opirun
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 08:34 PM |
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Your absolutely right Daniel, can't have it all. Of course budget will lead to performance and quality compromises. I am going to take a look
now on part builds and see what I find. Thanks.
ADDED: in fact please ignore my question about handling, etc. It was silly question based on the fact that budget is important.
[Edited on 1/4/13 by Opirun]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 1/4/13 at 10:15 PM |
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The Aries chassis is by far and away the best value for money chassis if you're looking for something that will perform well and are willing to
sacrifice a bit of 'ease of assembly'.
All the fundamentals are there (stiff chassis, good suspension geometry etc), but with none of the gimmicks.
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