colt_mivec
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 12:07 AM |
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MK Indy Chassis Plan's
Where can i get the chassis plans for an MK Indy?
Is the Ron Champion about as near as ill get.
I want to use the MK bonnet,Nose and Aero screen
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indykid
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 12:13 AM |
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the MK glassfibre fits a standard locost perfectly. probably looks better than on the indy. you'll not get chassis plans for an indy, but
it's locost size apart from an extra vertical inch in the sides to accomodate the pinto.
the nosecone hangs an inch below the front lower chassis rail, but still fits well.
tom
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colt_mivec
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 12:24 AM |
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So the Locost s higher or the MK is?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 12:30 AM |
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MK is higher
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colt_mivec
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 12:32 AM |
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Does the MK have Fibreglass side panels or is it Alloy sheet
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 01:22 AM |
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fibreglass
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tomblyth
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 03:49 AM |
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MK (martin keenan) is involved with the new book so build that chassis not the ron champ
book!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Your-Own-Sports-Car/dp/1844253910/ref=pd_sbs_b_njs_title_1/202-4163342-5955828
or a tiger!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Build-Tiger-Sportscar-Track-Speedpro/dp/190478822X/ref=pd_sbs_b_njs_title_5/202-4163342-5955828
check the difference between buying MK chassis and the true cost of you welding it up! (steel /rods/gas/electric/time/material to make jig's
etc) and the sva man won't look as hard at a bought chassis!
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vinnievector
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 08:20 AM |
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mk indy
The Indy uses a sierra diff and the lo cost live axle . small size diff ,personally i think the the Mk is a better product and Has more finished off
look to it. Look out for part built or unfinished projects that's the cheapest way to get started . unless your after the challenge of starting
from scratch.
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procomp
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:23 AM |
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Hi although if you copy the indy chassis you will be copying all the major faults with the rear geometry and the front suspension too.
For simplicity and a good handling car the original Ron book chassis whith the live axle is the way to go. You just have to sort out the dimensions
that are wrong. But theres plenty of info on this site and the web to get round that.
Cheers Matt
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indykid
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:35 AM |
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i've built 2 indys, the second one because it used all the bits from the first, but if i built again, it'd be a locost. MK isn't
what it used to be.
tom
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mad gaz
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:49 AM |
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no MK is not what it use 2 be much better now INDY SPEC R awsome
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procomp
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 09:53 AM |
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 10:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad gaz
no MK is not what it use 2 be much better now INDY SPEC R awsome
Must be! It got a glowing review in one of the kit mags recently. (Anyone ever seen a bad review in any of these mags who rely on advertising
revenue?)
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mad gaz
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 11:07 AM |
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MK Indy Chassis Plan's
Well, as a successful businessman and sales and marketing guru , I find it strange that
the imminent introduction of type approval
has not brought the kitcar manufacturing
companies closer together. A show of solidarity is required, rather than the constant bickering over whose kit is best.
A positive sales attitude is concerned with convincing the potential customer as to the reasons for choosing you, rather than the reasons for not
choosing someone else. Just remember, customers vote with their cheque
books, and Mk sales outweigh their competitors by approximately 3:1
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graememk
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 11:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by procomp
Hi although if you copy the indy chassis you will be copying all the major faults with the rear geometry and the front suspension too.
Cheers Matt
so what they then ?
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indykid
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 11:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad gaz
A positive sales attitude is concerned with convincing the potential customer as to the reasons for choosing you, rather than the reasons for not
choosing someone else. Just remember, customers vote with their cheque
books, and Mk sales outweigh their competitors by approximately 3:1
that may be the case for new customers. it's when after you've bought your kit, the attitude changes unless you're one of their
gang, that changes perception.
i can't believe the spec r chassis is good enough to outweigh the rest.
tom
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colt_mivec
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 11:51 AM |
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What do you mean by there attitude changes.
After you've paid they dont want to be as helpful any more etc.
Building it isnt a problem,Our workshop guys will make my chassis after work and are all qualified so shouldnt be an issue with SVA
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procomp
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 01:47 PM |
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Hi there was me thinking that the discussion was about a MK INDY chassis and a Ron type chassis. And one mention of the undeniable facts surrounding
the indy's handling problems that even it's original designer Martin Kenan admits. And Mk owners start jumping up and down.
Cheers Matt
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mad gaz
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 02:10 PM |
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The handling problems are not unique to Mk.
The '7' is a 50-year old design and problems with it are inherent to all designs subsequently based on it , throughout the industry.
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procomp
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 02:18 PM |
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Hi you really should do some research on the indy and the mach#1
I am getting a repetitive headache now i will leave it there.
Cheers Matt
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mad gaz
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 02:48 PM |
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Having done my research, having built 3 MK Indy's and having looked around the marketplace, the MK represents the best all-round package at its
price point.
The after-sales service and back up is very good, considering that this is a 'cottage industry' and not some bluechip company.
With this in mind, obviously some discretion and time allowance has to be made, on the part of customers. Other than that, there is no
'gang' or 'in-crowd' at MK, and all reasonable after-sales issues have been dealt with professionally.
Having dealt on numerous occasions with MK Sportscars, Mac 1 and MK Engineering,
I have found them all to be very informative
and helpful, and never disparaging of other companies for their own gain.
Having owned both the original MK Indy and
the MK Indy R, I feel that MK Sportscars are to be commended for their decision and financial bravery in introducing the Indy R when the old Indy
sells in such great numbers.
The new model, with a little investment and development could easily be as good as any 'seven', including Caterham & Westfield. Well
done MK Sportscars, you will get the rewards you deserve, even if some can't resist taking cheap (locost) shots!
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procomp
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 03:34 PM |
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Hi But what was talked about was problems with the handling that both Martin Kenan and Mk admit are there. Maybe you are happy with the poor handling
of the indy . But to try and compare it to the Westfield and caterham.  .
Cheers Matt
Oh and those so called cheap shots are facts that as i say both Martin and MK admit are problems on the cars. And yet they have never been corrected.
Yes they really should be commended for that. Other manufacturers sort there problems out not just burry there heads in the sand.
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colt_mivec
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 04:28 PM |
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What handling issues has the MK got?
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iank
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 04:55 PM |
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As this always ends up in a flame war I'll keep it brief and to the facts.
'Old' design
Front suspension - doesn't self center properly leading to all sorts of cheating at SVA (valve springs under the steering rack gaiters FFS).
Rear suspension - read this
To be honest it will handle better than most tintops even with the faults, but it certainly wont touch a Caterham on a track.
'New' car
Don't know if the faults have been fixed (you have to hope) but starting to win races/sprints/hillclimbs is the only way they'll prove
anything. Doing a good sales job and getting good writeups in the kitcar press mean little.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/2/08 at 06:12 PM |
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Matt, you knew exactly what kind of reaction your post would get. Isn't that's why you post the same thing time after time? Or maybe for
some strange reason, you get an overwhelming urge to bring this known issue to peoples attention..........
Trouble is, you seem very biased towards MK. I don't see you posting about the handling capabilities of MK's competitors chassis. You must
have seen many of them by now, so are the others perfect?
You also keep claiming that MK know about these issues but bury their heads in the sand. So are you saying that the new Indy Spec R has the same
issues as the old Indy?
Just curious.
Phil
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