Staple balls
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 07:55 PM |
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yeah, firstly it's too still, and there's not enough helicopter noise.
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Originally posted by protofj
It was definately NOT filmed from a helicopter for a start.... I am 100% certain of that....
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pbura
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jonti
quote:
Originally posted by pbura
The way I heard it was with the Italian navy at Cyprus 
I think its probably one of those "adapt to fit" stories actually.....That's why we tell "Irish Jokes", you tel
"Polish Jokes" and the Irish tell "Kerryman Jokes".
Actually, the way I heard it was US/Canada. No idea if it's true or not; took a look on snopes.com to no avail.
I'm as busy as a friggin' Chinaman today, so have stayed out of the fray, but wanted to let you know that no offense is taken.  I
thought it a funny story myself.
All the best,
Pete
Pete
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:21 PM |
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That 1% must have all fallen on Dresden.....read up on that if you havnt - a 2 day 1000 bomber raid by the UK and USA killed more people than both the
atomic bombs.....
atb dont seem appropriate here.......
steve
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
There's a famous bit of film from WW II, of the yanks trying to bomb the monastery on Monte Casino in Italy.
One bomber missed the whole mountain, and nearly trashed the British HQ in the town of Casino itself, a few miles away...
David
P.S. In fairness to the US airforce, the RAF worked out the percentage of effective bombs in proportion to the total dropped (in other words, hit the
intended target). I believe that it was something like 1 or 2 percent...
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:23 PM |
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Thats the least amusing thing I have seen for some time
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Originally posted by Findlay234
Sorry here is the apache video:::
very amusing
http://members.lycos.co.uk/findlay234/hpbimg/apache_helicopter_vs_iraqis.mpeg
Damn, doesnt work, one moment guys ill have it online in a minute.....
[Edited on 15/3/04 by Findlay234]
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:31 PM |
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i would be worried if i thought even soldiers were quite so casual about killing people.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:35 PM |
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regarding the 'you dont know what those guys had been thro before they shot em' is a valid point.
A while back there was summat on the BBC site about the Mai Lai massacre in vietnam.
A platoon if american soldiers went nuts in a vietnamese village, killing and raping what was basically a village of old men kids and women. A
significant incident was when a baby was shot dead as it crawled out of a ditch where its dead mother lay.
When the head of the platoon was sentanced, he got a few years in prison and at the time this was deemed harsh. In fact he was released after 2 or so
years.
This on the face of it, seems like a massive injustice that few people were bought to book for this crime.
Here is the other side.
The platoon had been attacked for a considerable time - often by civillians. One technique was the human wave. The locals hated the yanks so much they
did a leming thing, where you had 100 people and 10 guns. The ones at the front, when cut down, had their weapons taken by those that followed. By the
time the wave reached USA positions, the ones with the gun at that time did the shooting. The guy that killed the baby had recently killed a 10 year
old boy that was about to blow him away. It prayed on his mind but he had to do it. 10 years on the baby would have had a gun.
A while before the incident, one of their number had been captured by the viet cong. They had listened to him die all night. The prisoner had his skin
cut from his whole body, and had salt water poured on him.
There was a whole catalog of things prior to the guys entering the village. When they got there, there was no viet cong, so they just took it out on
the populace.
No excuse, but the points made were just a couple of what the troops had endured prior to the event.
You could also call it a gross lack of discipline and professionality to kill and rape women and kids.
two sides to every story.
steve
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jonti
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
Thats the least amusing thing I have seen for some time
Agreed.......Fake it may be......funny it most definately aint.
But Ida still shot 'em
And I endorse all Mr Gusto's points made above..(kinell Steve that's twice this year I've agreed with you !!)
[Edited on 15/3/04 by jonti]
OFROK
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:41 PM |
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actually Jonti, I could get to like you after a few pints Its getting less pints all the time
atb
steve
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jonti
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:44 PM |
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Steady lad...I'm a married man
OFROK
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petescamel
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 08:49 PM |
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no one really should find things like the clip amusing
just think on the flip side someone may find the thought of 911 or the recent train bombings in spain amusing as well.
any time inocent people are killed in such a way should make you think that the people in question could have been you brother / sister etc
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 09:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jonti
Steady lad...I'm a married man
dont worry, im not a big drinker!
atb
steve
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The Shootist
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| posted on 15/3/04 at 09:50 PM |
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Not even remotely funny....
But if you can find the full version of this video, the hostiles were setting up a mortar emplacement to ambush convoys on a nearby highway.
A 30mm auto-cannon is the smallest weapon available to an Apache crew, and if you'll note the delay between the time that the crosshairs hover
over a target, and the time that the shells hit, the shots are fired from about 2 miles out.
The activity around the mortar is not seen on this footage because the chopper crew fired a salvo that missed due to the auto-ranging system being
turned-off. The hostiles were busy seeking cover by the time this footage starts.
The group was taken out after one member was seen with an object thought to be a shoulder fire rocket. It is well known in the region that anyone with
a weapon will be considered hostile.
[Edited on 15/3/04 by The Shootist]
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Staple balls
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 12:26 AM |
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starts to make sense now
nice to hear the full story
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jonti
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 09:05 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
dont worry, im not a big drinker!
atb
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Me neither mate...I spill most of it
Cheers
steve
OFROK
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 09:09 AM |
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still wasn't filmed by an apache - or any other helicopter for that matter (unless it was parked on the ground !)
[Edited on 16/3/04 by protofj]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 09:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
actually Jonti, I could get to like you after a few pints Its getting less pints all the time
Reminds me of that classic quote from "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme" on the box...
her: "So what's the difference between a straight man and a gay one?"
him "about 6 pints of lager, in my experience!"
rgds,
David
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jonti
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 11:01 AM |
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Yeah and......Ive neve gone to bed with an ugly woman......mind you, I've woken up with a few
OFROK
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 12:17 PM |
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Hi
I don’t think that the situation with the Mai Lai massacre was justified yes they where provoke in the most appalling of ways however this does not
justify there action. I don’t know if I could keep it together with similar provocation but that dose not make the reaction right. Thoughs who commit
war crimes should be prosecuted with the full force of the law regardless of the position in the conflict.
For thoues who have not seen a modem aerial attack it is scary loud and shocking it is hard to describe the assault on your senses that you feel. I
was in a training exercise where a harrier launched a bunch of unguided rockets in to a near by building. I not ashamed to say I was scared s***less
and legging it over there to get on with the attack was……
I am sure there are people on hear who have been involved in this sort of thing for real I have a lot of respect for them.
blake
ps sory about the speling gramer
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 07:18 PM |
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in my sheltered world, the closest I have been to aerial attack was at Rockingham Motor Speedway at Corby!
A Tornado came over and when in the centre of the oval went full afterburner and did a vertical climb.
The noise was amazing. Jus that woulda scared the crap outa me without firing a weapon!
atb
steve
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 10:05 PM |
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I was bombed once - not much fun. (and it broke my mother's heart, my dad told me years later.)
I was in Benghazi in 1986, despite Mrs Thatcher's advice, when waves of USAF bombers cracked in at supersonic speed and bombed and shot the
place up one night in April. My flat was right in amongst it. A Libyan army parachute training camp 400m away was hit big style, which was nice, and
I was also directly under their, low level, flight path to the airfield, another target. Additionally the planes were also being chased by Libyan
SAMs fired from the coast which were dropping and bursting among the houses.
Somehow I slept through the whole thing. First thing I knew about it (nursing my darts match hangover) was on the morning BBC world service. In a
flash I realised the flats had all been evacuated in the night, my Libyan neighbours had all gone, I was all alone (flatmate away on leave), there
were troop trucks trundling past outside and my car was the only one in the carpark.
Interesting sensation.
Locals were not best pleased.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 16/3/04 at 10:12 PM |
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wow
I slept thro an earthquake in Japan once. Pretty tame to what you just described!
Those were F-111 from Lakenheath not too far from here I think......
atb
steve
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sgraber
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| posted on 17/3/04 at 01:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Ashurst
Interesting sensation.
Locals were not best pleased.
That is such an interesting thing to say! I love it. Would that be called 'typical British understatement' then?
That's one HELL of a cool story! Are you going to divulge why you were in Libya?
[Edited on 3/17/04 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Brooky
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| posted on 17/3/04 at 10:36 AM |
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He could tell you, but he would have to kill you afterwards! 
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Dave Ashurst
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| posted on 17/3/04 at 01:11 PM |
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quote:
why you were in Libya?
I was an international playboy.
At that time I was helping maintain my lifestyle by assisting with supervision of the Benghazi city roads project as a civil engineer.
I am still a civil engineer.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 17/3/04 at 04:03 PM |
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but did they hit the bridge and give you more work
atb
steve
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