Nick Skidmore
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 09:31 PM |
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What 2 ltr engine has the most power in standard trim
Simple rules:-
1. 2000 cc or below.
2. Must not have VVC / Vanos etc.
3. Normally aspirated.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 09:36 PM |
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I would say a Peugeot Gti6 (167)/ Renault clio williams (180bhp)would be up there for a cec
But any of the newish sports bike lumps are going to beat that hands down.
Whats it got to pull around ? 
[Edited on 30/8/09 by big_wasa]
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CGILL
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 09:40 PM |
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3SGE? SR20DE? they would def. be up there. Actually the mazda KF 2l aluminium V6 cranks out a whole lot of torque and will rev it's nuts off,
would need a custom bellhousing for a rwd box though 160 hp 180 N·m (133 lb·ft) and a 7500 redline.
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blakep82
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:00 PM |
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hmm, what about wankel engines?
is this for a racing series?
the 1992-2002 mazda rx7 made 252hp for the lowest spec, and 276hp for the upper one. doesn't mention if they were turbo or not though
still, not bad for a 1.3 
[Edited on 30/8/09 by blakep82]
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will121
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:07 PM |
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clio 182, dont think they are VVC
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l0rd
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by will121
clio 182, dont think they are VVC
I believe it is but it is not advertised as it is c**p.
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prawnabie
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:26 PM |
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Whats crap anout them l0rd?
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SPYDER
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:31 PM |
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Another vote for Toyota 3SGE. The Gen 3 in my Spyder normally gives 173bhp . But mine is on carbs and is (only) 166!
RWD conversion ain't easy though.
The Mi 16 lump has a good reputation in motorsport circles but again, RWD conversion isn't simple. Unless somebody knows different....?
Geoff.
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l0rd
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:32 PM |
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Just that it doesn't work that well compared to others.
Hence not being advertised as it was renault's first attempt for VVT.
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prawnabie
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| posted on 30/8/09 at 10:35 PM |
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Eh?
It either works or it doesn't lol. at 5350 to 7250 limit RPM the F4r in the 182 jumps nearly 40 bhp over standard lol - have you ever
driven/worked on one?
[Edited on 30/8/09 by prawnabie]
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l0rd
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 01:31 AM |
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I do appologise. I should have said it is not as reliable as others.
All renault clios with the F4R have VVT.
common problems with them is noise from the inlet cam shaft phase shifter
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 06:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
hmm, what about wankel engines?
is this for a racing series?
the 1992-2002 mazda rx7 made 252hp for the lowest spec, and 276hp for the upper one. doesn't mention if they were turbo or not though
still, not bad for a 1.3
[Edited on 30/8/09 by blakep82]
yes very much turbo power in na form they make bugger all power
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 07:13 AM |
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guess it depends how standard? could you disable the vvt and suffer the rubbish torque at low rpms?
If so then any of hondas late engines are 200bhp or more
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jpindy3
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 07:48 AM |
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what about the seat leon cupra 225bhp,
i think its a 20l not sure though
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CraigJ
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 07:53 AM |
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the honda s2000 engine is the most powerful n/a 2L engine with 237bhp. but it does have vtec
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the_fbi
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 08:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jpindy3
what about the seat leon cupra 225bhp,
i think its a 20l not sure though
Its a 1.8 and unfortunately has a turbo strapped to the side so fails to meet the criteria 
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the_fbi
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 08:05 AM |
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ZX14R engine is circa 190+bhp but its not got the torque you'd want probably.
No idea if it got a VVC equivalent though.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 08:39 AM |
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clio 197.
nigh on 200 bhp but a measily 150 or so torques.
an older, more common and cheap contender would be a VX redtop, get the later dispac then the CATed factory figure 150 bhp and torques. so with
removal of cat that goes up. my standard engine with just the addition of filter and decat system gives an impressive 170+ on the RR.
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t16turbotone
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 08:57 AM |
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mitsubishi V6 24-valve 2000cc Engine (FTO GR)
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franky
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 09:26 AM |
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the fto has a MIVTEC system which is a type of variable valve timing.... not as good as the honda system either.
for power and torque it must be a sr20de engine. 150bhp out of the factory and 180 breathing properly before you've put cams/headwork/ingnition
onto it. Also its pretty much bomb proof.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 09:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
for power and torque it must be a sr20de engine. 150bhp out of the factory and 180 breathing properly before you've put cams/headwork/ingnition
onto it. Also its pretty much bomb proof.
Fairly similar figures to the more easily available C20XE, bomb proof too. I've heard figures between 170 and 200 on TBs or chunky carbs. SBD
have an engine with nearly 300bhp N/A (if infinite funds are available  )
Craig
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prawnabie
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 09:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by l0rd
I do appologise. I should have said it is not as reliable as others.
All renault clios with the F4R have VVT.
common problems with them is noise from the inlet cam shaft phase shifter
Are you sure you are not thinking of the dephaser fitted to the K4M 760 and 782?
I have only seen one fail on a clio and that was due to incorrect fitting by another mechanic. Meganes and scenics however are a different story - but
that is a different part by a different manufactuer.
Shaun
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 10:47 AM |
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volvo b5202s- an impressive 123 bhp - surely nobody can beat that !!!
if this is going in A.N. Other motor then the std significance isnt really applicable since intake and exhaust would more than likely be different .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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l0rd
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 11:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Are you sure you are not thinking of the dephaser fitted to the K4M 760 and 782?
I have only seen one fail on a clio and that was due to incorrect fitting by another mechanic. Meganes and scenics however are a different story - but
that is a different part by a different manufactuer.
Shaun
We are missing the point. This could be a debate on the Renault Forums. I personally have seen at least 3 clios with this problem and one was my
mechanic's who used to work in Renault in Greece. 3 clios are a lot if you consider that there aren't a lot in Greece.
The point is that all the Clios 172, 182, 197 have VVT and the engine does not meet the requirements of our friend.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 31/8/09 at 12:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by prawnabie
Eh?
It either works or it doesn't lol. at 5350 to 7250 limit RPM the F4r in the 182 jumps nearly 40 bhp over standard lol - have you ever
driven/worked on one?
Having a sudden jump in power at a particular RPM would suggest it isn't a very good system. It's easy to get an engine to have a very
non-linear power delivery, just fit a set of cams with lots of overlap. The point of variable valve timing is to make the engine work more
efficiently at all speeds.
Have you ever driven a car with the K series VVC engine? You wouldn't know there was any variable valve timing, it simply feels like a bigger
engine as it gives more torque at low and high engine speeds.
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