luke_stephenson
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:40 AM |
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Pinto engine... good?bad?ugly?
hi, hope to get some decent advice. im planning to build a locost and have a 2.0pinto (EFI) sierra. what problems am i likely to have? i notice the
engine is very tall! even though i plan to fit side draughts. I want to get the cars identity on SVA will i be able to do this even if i choose not to
use the pinto? is the pinto worth spending time on or should i just try to find a zetc?
sorry to have so little knowledge!
cheers
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:50 AM |
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Personally I like the pinto, its tough, simple to install and rugged. If it’s your first car it would be a good engine to start with. Standard power
output and overall weight are not very favorable compared to modern car engines. However a 2.0 in a locost is quite lively enough for most people. My
Falcon has one and I have no complaints.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:51 AM |
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Welcome to the madhouse! 
Plenty of people are still building with pinto's so i think you should get plenty of good advice from here should you need it.
The main issue with the pinto's is the height but most overcome this issue by shortening the sump.
Should you decide to fit a Zetec, you will still encounter similar problems with the sump and you will also need to find a bellhousing adaptor to mate
a rwd gearbox to the Zetec.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:56 AM |
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The pinto is big and heavy - but many people have used them very successfully.
BTW: Forget about using the original registration - if you use enough bits from 1 car you might get an age-related plate, but you won't be
allowed to keep the old number. Saying that - I'm just waiting for someone to post the line "Well, I kept the old number!" -
it's all down to the whim of your local DVLA chappie, but in almost every case the old plate dies with the scrapped car (unless it's a
special one, which they re-sell).
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Humbug
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
The pinto is big and heavy - but many people have used them very successfully.
BTW: Forget about using the original registration - if you use enough bits from 1 car you might get an age-related plate, but you won't be
allowed to keep the old number. Saying that - I'm just waiting for someone to post the line "Well, I kept the old number!" -
it's all down to the whim of your local DVLA chappie, but in almost every case the old plate dies with the scrapped car (unless it's a
special one, which they re-sell).
If you really want the reg number itself, you need to put it on retention before scrapping it (probably before dismantling it, in case they want to
inspect it)
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 11:59 AM |
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if you want to keep the sierra reg number, you might be easier to keep the pinto, and switch to zetec or something later.
the pinto's not bad really, but get a lot of stick on here, particulaly from the BEC boys. i think the pinto scares them with their manly
ruggedness.
it already fits with your gearbox and clutch, so thats easy for you.
yeah, not a bad engine to start with
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wilkingj
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 12:10 PM |
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Well...Pinto is a good engine, as said above.
I would shorten and widen the sump (widen to retain the oil capacity).
Look on the web, or search on here, there are enough examples about to get the idea.
As for the Old reg number. If its interesting enough ie valuable.
FIRST change the reg of the Sierra and put the old reg on a retention certificate.
Then get an age related reg for the kit car using the sierra docs.
The once its all up and on the road legally. Transfer the reg off the retention document to the kit.
Its the only way I can see of keeping the original reg.
You cannot transfer the original reg directly from the sierra to the kit car.
Even going by the above route, its not guaranteed to work. But its the only way I can think of.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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JeffHs
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 12:23 PM |
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As long as the engine is good - no smoke or rattles and looks like it will meet emission regs, keep it, get the car on the road and it's
handling sorted, then if you still want more power/bling, change it for something better.
I'm using a 1.6 RS mexico pinto with a fast road cam. It's old it's ugly but it goes very well and makes a glorious noise when
opened up - it's good for over 90 in 3rd yet will trickle along at 30 in 4th.
Apart from carbs and a cam change, don't spend any money trying to wring more power out of it. It can be done but it's very expensive and
makes no sense compared with a change to a modern engine
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SPYDER
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 12:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
..........and you will also need to find a bellhousing adaptor to mate a rwd gearbox to the Zetec.
We mounted an MT75 directly to a Zetec. Lots of guidance on the web about it.
And the T5.
Geoff.
zetec rwd stuff
[Edited on 18/9/09 by SPYDER]
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 12:50 PM |
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It fits in a book chassis but it is tight, a McSorley +2 or a Haynes might be easier (cue to builders!).
Why not keep the EFI, very reliable and economical and can be cut down to fit - look at the money you will save on DCOE's
 
Rescued attachment Engine Left.JPG
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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stevec
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 12:59 PM |
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has anyone tried the low compression engine fitted to certain Transit vans and Turbo'd/ supercharged it?
Steve.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 01:56 PM |
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there's tonnes of turbo pinto stuff on google - one that answers your question -
The "standard" swedish Pinto turbo build is simple. There's really two or three ways depending on power output and reliability.
1. Standard bottom end, preferably with Transit (or any low CR) Pinto pistons (8.2.1). Standard head and cam, custom exhaust manifold, standard Pinto
EFI with a bunch of extra injectors. Usually good for 0,6-0,8 bar and 200 bhp - more if reliability is not a concern. Mitsubishi TD04-15/16 turbo
(best), T25 or T3.
2. Same bottom end as above, but Megasquirt engine management. Safe at 0,8 bar, usually good to 1,2 bar and using a mildly ported head and fast road
cam 300 bhp is very possible. But you need a good turbo, Mitsubishi TD04-16, 18 or 19T, Holset HX30, Garret GT28 or so. Also a decent-good pulse split
exhaust manifold and pretty good intercooler.
3. Using Cossie YB pistons and rods (preferably oil pump and spray bar as well but that can be arranged in other ways) and a more worked head, sports
cam and you can safely run 1,4-1,5 bar. With a good turbo you will se over 300 bhp.
Engine management is very important, with high boost you need to be able to get the timing working well and the only real way is a mappable system
here. The timing is where the power is!
Another key to "our" good results is the pulse split manifolds, IMO, in combination with pretty big turbos to keep exhaust back pressure
down. With a smallish turbo and log type manifold you can see exhaust back pressures of 1,5-2 times the boost pressure and that quickly kills off
power.
[Edited on 18/9/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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stevec
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:37 PM |
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I meant anyone on here, not Google
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luke_stephenson
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:41 PM |
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this is brilliant, so if i chop the sump, i should be able to keep the bonnet height standard? not bothered about the actual reg, just age related
would do fine. (for emisions e.t.c)
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luke_stephenson
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
It fits in a book chassis but it is tight, a McSorley +2 or a Haynes might be easier (cue to builders!).
Why not keep the EFI, very reliable and economical and can be cut down to fit - look at the money you will save on DCOE's
how much power do you get with the EFI though?
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by luke_stephenson
this is brilliant, so if i chop the sump, i should be able to keep the bonnet height standard? not bothered about the actual reg, just age related
would do fine. (for emisions e.t.c)
Yep
Just make sure you keep plenty of pics if you want age related.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevec
I meant anyone on here, not Google
jpindy3
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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pajsh
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 02:57 PM |
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It's likely you will also need to move the oil filler cap to the back as shown in Marks picture.
If it is your first build then, like me, you may want to keep it simple and not bother with EFi and all sensors & wiring etc.
Also if it's the right age the emmsions test is far easier and you don't need a cat. I guess that does apply to other more modern engines
though.
I would probably do a Duratec now but I've learnt alot from the old lump.
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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blakep82
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 03:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by luke_stephenson
this is brilliant, so if i chop the sump, i should be able to keep the bonnet height standard? not bothered about the actual reg, just age related
would do fine. (for emisions e.t.c)
if its emissions, Q plate is surely what you want?
alex omega something or other (theres some numbers after omega) is big on pintos at the minute.
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pajsh
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 03:27 PM |
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Pnito 2.0 - 3
I used to be apathetic but now I just don't care.
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nick205
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 05:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
Welcome to the madhouse!
Plenty of people are still building with pinto's so i think you should get plenty of good advice from here should you need it.
The main issue with the pinto's is the height but most overcome this issue by shortening the sump.
Should you decide to fit a Zetec, you will still encounter similar problems with the sump and you will also need to find a bellhousing adaptor to mate
a rwd gearbox to the Zetec.
Nice avatar
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flak monkey
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 06:04 PM |
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Mine on injection and megasquirt
 
Great engines, really bullet proof (7300rpm rev limit on injection engines - 205 block)
Mine was fairly well modded and was somewhere around 160-170bhp. Sounded awsome as it came on cam!
Easily gave 30mpg on injection.
People knock them, but in reality a zetec is only 15kg lighter.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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omega0684
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 06:25 PM |
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if you are looking for a pinto engine i have just rebuild two! my own and my spare, i run R1 throttle bodies on a semi race head (46mm inlets &
36.1mm exhausts) fully ported. 0.5mm over sized pistons to take it up to a 2.1 ltr, fr32 cam & i also run a shortened sump. i use megasquirt 1 V3
for the ECU and it has given some promising results, i need to get it fully set up on a rolling road but i would say its in the 160-170 bhp area.
here are some pictures
 
as people have already said they are very strong engines, i think std injection you are looking around 105bhp but that can easily be bulked up with a
nice set of bike carbs or throttle bodies
where in our great nation are you? maybe if you put where you are in your profile someone local might let you go round and have a sneaky peak?
HTH's
[Edited on 18/9/09 by omega0684]
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dr-fastlane
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 06:34 PM |
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You love them or hate them… Like Flak monkey says bullet proof engine. Enough power especially if it’s your first car. Keep the EFI, get the wiring
out of the donor car, it’s not that difficult. The EFI is a very simple system.
Check this thread: http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=113932
[Edited on 19/9/09 by dr-fastlane]
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lotusmadandy
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| posted on 18/9/09 at 06:59 PM |
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As already said the pinto is still a good engine,i have just sold my rebuilt 2 litre
to swap for a zetec.
I used a 1.6 for a year then changed to the 2.0, all in all a great engine and hard to break.
Andy
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